Text 23270, 149 rader
Skriven 2006-01-21 11:08:02 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 23229 av Philip Lozier (1:267/169)
Ärende: Meno Blom's charges
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 >>> You said "he was a pervert by your standards, not by ours",

 MvdV>> The other way around. ;-)

 > No... -YOU- said "etc..."

 > It's a quote.  ;>

Ok, I missed that.

[ law enforcement should only care about the law, not about morality and what
MB did while he was here was not against the law here, so law enforcement had
no business sticking their nose in ]

 >>> As to what law enforcement should care about... I am
 >>> absolutely certain that the jerk wouldn't have had any
 >>> problems with law enforcement had he kept his, uh, behavior,
 >>> in his own country... the law enforcement here wouldn't care
 >>> less about him then,

 MvdV>> Obviously that is not true, your law enforcement DID care about him
 MvdV>> while he was still here in The Netherlands.

 > Uh... -I- said: "kept his, uh, behavior, in his own country..."

 > By wacking off on live video to an what he thought was an
 > underage child -in this country-, and making an arangement to meet

That's not illegal here, but that was not the point. Not the point I am making
now. That point is, they had no business contacting him in the first place.
What you describe only happened *after* the cop had made contact.

They had no business contacting him in the first place.

 MvdV>> Indeed, all that law enforcement should care about is "is it
 MvdV>> illegal?".

 > Yup... it is illegal to corrupt the morals of a minor in this
 > country.

MB was not in your country when he did what you describe.

 MvdV>> And so it is very simple: what Menno Blom did while he was
 MvdV>> here was not illegal.

 > But it was!

No, it was not.  It can not be, he was not on US territory, therefore not
subject to US law.
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 > What he did in his own country as a point of
 > origin came via modern technology to the USA and the

It came to the US  because the cop downloaded the messages/ the video or
whatever.

 > destination was SPECIFICLY to the USA,

Only bbecause the cop gave him hois e-mail addy/ box number or whatever. It was
the cop's action that brought it to the US.

 > and when it entered
 > this country it became a crime... now...

Ah, so HERE we finally have the admission you ARE trying to impose your laws
and morals outside your country.

You can twist it around any way you like, but what he did was not against the
law here.

What your LEA is doing  is expand US law to cover all of cyberspace. Thereby
effectively trying to impose your laws and morals world wide.

 MvdV>> Hence law enforcement (US or other) had no business
 MvdV>> sticking their nose in.

 > Not in the Netherlands... but, once he came here

They had no business sticking their nose in in the first place.

 > to further his pursuits that are illegal in this country they most
 > certainly did... we have a right to protect our children from
 > predators like him... his traveling here proves that very
 > point that there is an absolute NEED for such protection.

Bullshit. It was your cop that set the chain of events in motion. Had that cop
respected our laws and stayed out of it, nothing would have happened.

This "crime" was a fabrication. of US law enforcement.

 MvdV>> Now why is that so hard to understand?

 > Funny... I was going to ask you that very question!

As I said before, I knew you would not understand.

 MvdV>> You may not like that, but that is the law.

 > You may not like it, but traveling to the USA to have sex with
 > underaged children is against the law.

Which would not have happened had your cop not violated our law to begin with.

 MvdV>> If parents of 14 year old teenagers don't want their daughters to
 MvdV>> chat with guys like Menno Blom, it is THEIR responsibility to keep
 MvdV>> them out of those chat rooms.

 > ABSOLUTE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!

Not at all. Parental guidance is the responsibility of the parents. No
government can and should take that away from them.

 > If perverts can't stay away from what they know they're not
 > supposed to be after, then they deserve to be punished, severely.
 > Shielding children from scum doesn't make the world a better
 > or safer place...

Sigh... You still don't get it do you.

 > eliminating the scum does a much better job of that.

Menno Blom is not scum. Just a not too bright misguided young man.

 > All this bullshit about "blame it on the parents"... that's the
 > biggest load of crap I've ever heard in many instances.
 > Hell, what can the parents do when they're working or on
 > other business?

Maybe they should not be working on other business and spent some more time
with their children?

Or maybe when they think business is more important than their children they
should not have children in the first place?

 > Somehow shield the computer from their children? Most kids
 > these days would run circles around their parents when it
 > comes to those issues and get right around whatever steps
 > they took.

Welcome to the 21th century...

 > I'm sorry... that load of horseshit just doesn't cut it.

I knew you would never understand. :-(

Cheers, Michiel

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