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Skriven 2006-08-18 16:35:00 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BOB ACKLEY
Ärende: Frank - take a break
============================
Hello Bob,

>LL>The Soviets takeover of the Kiril Islands should give you a hint as
>LL>to why Truman chose to drop atomic bombs on populated Japanese
>LL>cities. To this date, Japan and Russia remain in a state of war,
>LL>with no peace treaty ever having been signed between the two
>LL>adversaries. Remember, Japan and Russia had fought a war just two
>LL>decades prior to

>BA>Closer to four decades, Lee.  The battle of Tsushima Strait - where
>BA>Admiral Togo annihilated the Russian Black Sea Fleet - occurred in
>BA>1905.

>LL>Japan did not wait until 1941 to invade Manchuria.

BA>True.  But Manchuria was and is part of China, not Russia.

There are two groups of Russians - White Russians, and Yellow Russians.
While it is true that Manchuria was part of China, the Japanese presence
presented a huge threat to the Soviet Union.  For the Japanese, WWII was
a race war.  The Japanese were trying to free the oppressed yellow
peoples of Asia and the Pacific, who were long suffering from colonial
rule (white rule).  That is why white prisoners were treated so harshly,
whether those white prisoners were prisoners of war or civilians.

>LL>WWII.  And that war was brought to a close by U.S. President Teddy
>LL>Roosevelt, who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts.

>BA>Which should have given you more of a hint as to timing, 20 years
>BA>before WWII started, Wilson was president - or Harding, depending on
>BA>when one considers the war to have started.  TR left office in 1909.

>LL>The Soviet Union did not formally enter the war in the Pacific until
>LL>late in the game, just before the USA atomized Hiroshima and
>LL>Nagasaki.

BA>Immediately after, not before.  Stalin knew the game was over and he
BA>wanted to get in on on the goodies at the end.

Soviet troops entered the Asian/Pacific theatre *before* the atomic
bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Soviet troops invaded the Kirile
Islands *after* the atomic bombing.

>LL>But there is no doubt that the two sides were enemies long
>LL>before then. Almost immediately after Hiroshima was destroyed, Soviet
>LL>troops invaded the Kirile Islands.  And to this day Russia refuses to
>LL>return those islands to Japan.

BA>Stalin also forcibly removed the Japanese occupants from the islands and
BA>shipped them to Japan.

The Kirile Islands was Japanese territory.  And still is today,
according to Japan.  However, not all Japanese were relocated to
the main islands.  Some were resettled in the former Soviet Union
(not all had a choice).  Others chose to off themselves in the
traditional Japanese manner.

>LL>Why did Truman order atomic bombs to be dropped on Hiroshima and
>LL>Nagasaki? Being that Japan was already a defeated nation, it made no
>LL>sense as a military tactic (a naval blockade would have forced the
>LL>Empire of Japan to an unconditional surrender).  UNLESS IT WAS MEANT
>LL>AS A WARNING TO THE SOVIET UNION TO STAY OUT OF JAPAN.

BA>I think you're putting more into it than was necessary.  Truman did
BA>it because the whole project, including the use of the weapons, was
BA>in the pipeline when Roosevelt minor died

Atomizing two populated cities just because he could is not a reason.
Had that been the case, Truman would have been a mass murderer, and
should have been put on trial for war crimes - having committed crimes
against humanity, including genocide.

BA>- and BTW, Truman had never heard of the Manhattan project until
BA>after he was inaugurated president, he had to get up to speed on a
BA>lot things in a very short time.

The Manhattan Project, although known to over one hundred thousand
people, was a "secret" project, and kept secret for obvious reasons.
The president knew about it, as it was his duty and obligation to
know.  The vice president does not have that same duty and obligation.
Unless the vice president has to assume the duties of the president.
In Truman's case, the death of FDR.  Technically, Truman was acting
president.  It was not until 1967 that a vice president could become
president upon the incapacity or death of a president, due to an
executive order by LBJ.

--Lee


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