Text 39443, 173 rader
Skriven 2006-09-22 02:28:25 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 39385 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
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Hello Michiel.

21 Sep 06 23:08, you wrote to me:

 MV> Hello Jeff.

 MV> 21 Sep 06 11:37, you wrote to me:

 TM>>>>> He moderates his way (the Z2 style), like it or not. It does
 TM>>>>> not change the facts.

 JS>>>>      And those facts are that the moderator chooses to moderate
 JS>>>> by doing nothing.

 MV>>> So you say....

 JS>>       No... So I see.

 MV> You can not see what goes on in netmail.


     Never claimed too. Did ask though. From those that have responded
Björn has sent out moderating netmails to several people over a number
of years. Not suprising that it hasn't been effective.


 JS>> The reality of the matter is obvious for those that haven't
 JS>> already decided what they want to see.

 MV> And you seem to be one of the latter. You seem to have decided to want
 MV> to see a moderator who has choosen not to moderate.


    I would much rather see a moderator who cares about the echo and has a
grasp on what is happening within the echo. Sadly that is not what is before
me to see. I simply see an echo full of chaos to put it mildly. I don't
see a moderator anywhere in sight. What do you see?


 JS>>>> Other than some automated posts there is no evidance that he is
 JS>>>> the moderator at all. If the Z2 style as you choose to call it
 JS>>>> is to do a job by avoiding doing anything. Then I would choose
 JS>>>> to not like it.

 MV>>> That is your choice. The logical consequence is that you leave
 MV>>> the echo.

 JS>>      To you maybe.

 MV> Actually no. It is not *my* solution. It is what you Z1 fellow
 MV> Fidoians have been telling me is what *I* should do when I do not
 MV> agree with how a moderator does his job.

     Do you agree with the way that the moderator of this echo is
doing his job?

 MV> *My* preference would be to moderate acording to EP1. But as the Z1
 MV> community will not accept EP1, that is impossible.

 JS>> The more logical solution is for the moderator to simply
 JS>> moderate.

 MV> "Simply moderate"... Maybe we should ask him to walk on water as well.
 MV> Have you never asked yourself if what you are asking for may be the
 MV> impossible?


     Have you considered that his way of moderating has only compounded the
problem that he gets from people in the Fidonews echo?

 MV> Have I not explained to you that if a participant refuses to cooperate
 MV> with the moderator, there is little that can be done?

     So his only response is to cover his ears and to close his eyes? Nothing
can be done if one doesn't at least try.

 MV> How would *you* suggest the moderator deals with Frank Scheidt for
 MV> example?


     Talking to them would be a start. Hey Frank? Hey Roy? When did Björn
last communicate with you as a moderator?


     Doing little or nothing accomplishes little or nothing. Why do you choose
not to see that? Communication is the key here Michiel. Without it you would
just have what we see before us. An echo in chaos.

 JS>> Problem solved. Your solution would eventually result in an echo
 JS>> where everyone has left. Some solution.

 MV> No, only those that can not accept the way the moderator does his job.


     Gee... An echo for a couple people to chat. How nice but sad.

 JS>>>> With the job IMHO there is also the responsibility of actually
 JS>>>> doing the job.

 MV>>> He *is* doing the job. Just not in the way that *you* would like
 MV>>> to see it. Live with it or leave the echo.

 JS>>      Show me where he is doing anything.


 MV> I have already done that in another message.


     Actually his inaction is obvious for all to see. Your feeble attemps
at offering support only make Björn look more inept.


 JS>> The echo is a zoo.

 MV> That is your opinion to which you are entitled.

 JS>> An opinion that I seem to recall you expressing too.

 MV> You recall wrong. I never said that. You must confuse me with someone
 MV> else.



 JS>> It seems hypocritical to defend the condition of the echo at one
 JS>> moment and critisize that same condition at another moment.

 MV> Yes it would. It is not me doing that.

 JS>> If he is doing his job. That job is to do nothing.

 MV> Your words, not mine.

 JS>> There may be valid reasons why he can't or isn't able to do
 JS>> the job. If so I can understand that.

 MV> Can you? I doubt that. Apparently you have yet failed to understand
 MV> that moderating an interzone echo the way *you* want is impossible.

 JS>> What I have trouble understanding is the apparent lack of
 JS>> interest in the future of Fidonews

 MV> How so? There has been an issue of FidoNews every week. What more can
 MV> you ask for?

 JS>> and the echo. If Björn doesn't have the time or interest.

 MV> No amount of interest will make up for the fact that apparently the
 MV> *participants* have lost ineterest. If no-one writes for the snooze,
 MV> no one will have anything to read. It is as simple as that. Face it
 MV> Jeff, FidoNet is a museum piece and the snooze reflects that. The lack
 MV> of content in the Snooze simply reflects the demise of FidoNet as a
 MV> whole.

 JS>> Then say so and lets find someone that does. But to let the
 JS>> Fidonews wither away and to let the echo turn into a flamefest
 JS>> when it could have been avoided. That is NOT doing his job.

 MV> Your opinion to which you are entitled. You are free to leave and
 MV> start your own e-zine end associated echo.


 MV> Cheers,


 MV> Michiel

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