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Text 1008, 43 rader
Skriven 2012-07-21 07:38:40 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
    Kommentar till text 984 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Why?
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Dale Shipp wrote to Robert Bashe on Friday July 20 2012 at 13:34:

MV>> And keep in mind, it is MY name, MY language and MY country, so I am
MV>> the ultimate authority here.

RB>> Then stop posting in this international echo and restrict yourself to
RB>> Dutch echos. You are NOT in Holland aka "Koninkrijk der Nederlanden"
RB>> here.

DS> I am going to side with Michiel on this. I think that he is right and
DS> that you should honor his statement. It is the same reasoning that
DS> says that an accepted name for the USA is America and its citizens are
DS> called Amewicans  -- not USAians.

There's some justice in what you write, and if Michiel hadn't been so pedantic
in other matters - his insistence on "The Netherlands" instead of the
commonly-used "Holland" in both English and in the advertising brochures of his
own country - I would possibly have been more forgiving.

On the other hand, I think it's also partly ignorance of American customs on
his part. I've also been addressed by my last name without jumping up and down,
and this is not uncommon in the States. The "van der" just means "of the" and
regardless of what Michiel says is comparable to the "von" in the names of some
Germans. It would be a natural - and innocent - mistake for an American to
simply assume his last name is "Vlist" and (exceptionally - this was not a
common or often-repeated affair) address him as such.

Acting as if such a thing were an intentional insult is going a bit far for
someone who has addressed Janis as "The Ice Queen" and "bitch", even if he has
been called a "liar" for his prevarication (which means avoiding the issue,
hiding the truth and attempting to change the subject when cornered, but not
necessarily intentionally lying).

In sum, if anyone but Michial (or Bjorn, who displays similar traits) had
reacted so violently, I would have had more sympathy.

Cheers, Bob

P.S. I might also mention that the "USAsian" bit was not used rarely or merely
occasionally, and was explicitly done to irritate Americans.

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