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Skriven 2013-09-20 11:25:48 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
  Kommentar till text 10276 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Re: Putin Blinks
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  Hi, Lee Lofaso!
  I read your message from 19.09.2013 19:36

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  LL> As a Russian, ask yourself this question -

  LL> What was the real reason as to why US President Harry S Truman
  LL> chose to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Remember, the
  LL> Japanese high command had already offered to surrender, a full
  LL> month before. The Japanese military had already been defeated,
  LL> having no more navy, air force, or army to speak of. Most major
  LL> Japanese cities, including Tokyo, had already been destroyed and
  LL> reduced to rubble.

    I believe that this war crime (a mass and indiscriminate killing of 
civilians is a very severe war crime) was a demonstration of force to 
the USSR. In June 1945, at Potsdam Conference, Truman boasted of the 
Abomb before Stalin, but he appeared unimpressed.

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  AK>> Do you really think that it was the US who defeated Japan in China
  AK>> and Korea?

  LL> Russians were wimps, choosing to fight Japan in China. The US
  LL> defeated Japan in Japan, atomizing two heavily populated cities in
  LL> the process. No other country in the world can lay claim to doing
  LL> that.

    At Yalta conference, in 1945 (Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill), the 
USSR had taken an obligation to declare war on Japan, to help the US to 
defeat Japan. That was an agreement, that was a part of allies military 
actions. So, it must not be any wonder why the USSR declared war on 
Japan in 1945.

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  AK>> That's why it is fair that Japan should have paid the USSR
  AK>> reparations in form of some islands which were captured by Japan
  AK>> in 1906.
  LL> The Kiril Islands. Not many people live there. Not even sure if
  LL> there is any oil to be found in those parts. But the Japanese do
  LL> claim them, and have claimed them for centuries.

    According to Yalta conference the USSR got Kurile and Sakhalin 
islands as a war reparation. BTW, Germany had also lost big territory, 
at this conference.

  AK>> The USSR didn't occupy Japan and had no other reparations.
  LL> The US occupied Japan for five years following WWII. The US
  LL> occupied Germany for ten years following WWII. Why did the US
  LL> occupy Germany for five years longer than Japan? Because the
  LL> Russians were busy trying to make Austria an appendage of the USSR.
  LL> What happened in Japan is similar, the occupation of the Kiril
  LL> Islands being fallout from WWII.

    Actually, Japan and Germany were one team and had to be treated 
equally. But there was a peculiar specific - the Japanese treated their 
emperor as a god, and he could be hanged as were hanged German war 
criminals. Although, the Japanese emperor was not better than Hitler.

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  LL> The job of the US Secretary of State is to present the
  LL> administration's viewpoint. Even if those views are not his own.

    If it was a provocation it was well planned. There were used two 
small rockets and at least one Russian made shell. But, that 
rocket-shell was from a multiple rocket launcher (which produces 16 
shells per volley) and it is very strange that the shell was fired alone 
from such a big launcher as BM-14. More likely, it was launched from a 
small, handicraft hand launcher, as it often is being done in Gaza 
strip. You can crawl up secretly, actually to any place, and make a shot.

Pay also attention - there were no casualties among the rebels 
themselves, all the victims were civilians. It's strange, isn't?

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  LL> The Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on for 65+ years,
  LL> with no end in sight. It is a low-level conflict, fallout from
  LL> WWII. Will peace ever be found between the Arab and the Jew? Only
  LL> time will tell. But the hope for peace remains, however dim it
  LL> might seem at times.

    The damaged Japanese atomic reactors are now leaking its radioactive 
materials into the surrounding environment, poisoning it. Hatred from 
Palestine leaks in the world similar. So, it is not the matter of 
Palestine and Israel -- it is the matter for all the world to solve the 
problem.

  AK>> A war trains people better than any training exercises in peace
  AK>> time.
  LL> To do what? To expect more fighting and loss of life? How
  LL> depressing! No, my friend. All wars end. And it is the end of war
  LL> that trains people to celebrate. To celebrate life, for all it is
  LL> worth.

    The war can end itself if the number of participants is small. But 
the Palestinians are a part of a very big Arab nation. Palestine is like 
a poisoned splint in a human body. The venom is spreading all over the 
body and all the body inflames.

  AK>> So, in short time, Israel, for instance, will find itself
  AK>> surrounded by thousands of fighters, capable to crawl up to
  AK>> everywhere and kill and poison everyone, not sparing their own
  AK>> lives.
  LL> Gee. That is exactly what Jews said in 1947. So the British armed
  LL> them, And trained them. And helped them remove Arabs from Arab
  LL> lands when the United Nations partitioned Palestine into two
  LL> separate countries - one for Jewish Palestinians and one for Arab
  LL> Palestinians. Of course, the status of Jerusalem remained a part to
  LL> be decided at a later date.

    As far as I know, Jerusalem should have remained in the Arab part of 
Palestine. No further discussions were supposed.

  LL> Since the partition of Palestine, how many wars have been fought
  LL> between the Arabs and the Jews? Which side started each of those
  LL> wars? And on whose land were those wars fought?

    I believe all these wars were planned by the division creators.

  LL> Who owns the land? The original inhabitants own the land. The Jews
  LL> claim the land is theirs because God gave it to them. The Arabs
  LL> claim the land is theirs because Arabs were there first. Perhaps it
  LL> could be the Arab God gave the land to Arabs in the same way the
  LL> Jewish God gave the land to the Jews. Who knows? All I know is the
  LL> Cajun God gave Cajuns their own Promised Land...

    Religion means nothing in modern world. If you say that Jews are 
God's chosen people and they have been given with the promised land 2300 
thousand years ago, some person can easily say that 2000 years ago God 
had coursed his chosen people, had dispersed them around the world and 
had stripped them of the promised land. Indeed, when God was in a better 
mood he usually helped Jews to fight with their enemies. Do remember the 
reason why Jericho's walls fell?

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
fido7.fidonews 2013
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