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Skriven 2013-10-25 17:01:54 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 10951 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: APODs
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 Brer Lee Lofaso wrote to Brer David Drummond about APODs:

 LL>>> You mean to tell me that Thomas Jefferson was *WRONG*???

 DD>> What did he say?

 LL> It is not so much what he said, but what he wrote.  And what Thomas
 LL> Jefferson wrote was most certain *NOT* inalienable rights.

Do you know the difference?

 LL> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
 LL> created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
 LL> unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the
 LL> pursuit of happiness."

Natural (aka unalienable rights) and legal (aka inalienble) rights. They
are two different types of rights:

Inalienable rights are legal rights bestowed onto a person by a given
legal system or government, while unalienable rights are natural rights
not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular
culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable

i.e. "Creator" given rights.

 DD>>> Some give their life for the state (or the stripy rag).....

 LL>>> "Give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry, American
 LL>>> patriot

 DD>> What did he get? - Ah, I see that he got death. That can happen when
 DD>> you back people into a corner.

 LL> Well, at least he was not a horse thief like Paul Revere.

Actually there is no way to tell if that is truth or fiction. But, the
poem written in 1860. It mentions that "Revere rides HIS horse through
Medford, Lexington, and Concord to warn the patriots."

 DD>>> There are NO inalienable rights - just privileges granted by the
 DD>>> regime of the day.

 LL>>> That's what the King of England thought - until the American
 LL>>> colonists staged a successful revolution against his rule.

Still, the King did bestow cerain inalienable rights on his subjects. They
were allowed to form a localized citizens congress, for instance.

Y'all should know the differences between 'in' and 'un' alienable rights
before expounding the same.

 DD>> Even in the US today peoples' "inalienable right to life" is taken
 DD>> away from them.

 LL> Most folks do not realize what the difference is between inalienable
 LL> rights and unalienable rights.  The two are not the same.
 LL> Inalienable rights can be defined as being "rights which are not
 LL> capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of
 LL> the one possessing such rights."

Actually they can. All you have to do is look into any prison with a
'death row' to see that 'life' is or scheduled to be taken by the
government, even though it is 'creator' given.

 LL>   Unalienable rights can be defined as being "the state of a thing or
 LL> right which cannot be sold." (Definitions are from gemworld.com)

I'd find a different source for you materials.

 LL> Thomas Jefferson was very deliberate in his choice of words.
 LL> That is why he wrote "unalienable rights" that are "endowed by
 LL> their Creator" - along with limited rights belonging to the
 LL> government with the "consent of the governed".

 DD>> If the regime of the day passes legislation that you may not
 DD>> carry a firearm on a domestic flight then that "right " is taken
 DD>> away too.

Not really. All one has to do to carry a firearm on a domestic flight is
comply with the carrier's regulations.  It's done all the time.

 LL> Last week, NBA basketball legend Bill Russell tried to board an
 LL> airplane with a loaded firearm, but was caught and arrested before
 LL> he could do a 9/11 ...

Last report was that between 9-27 and 10-17, there were a total of 99
handguns, 84 of which were loaded, found in carry on baggage. Bill Russell
is a piker in the carry-on firearms department.


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