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  Kommentar till text 14650 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
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 TR> Hey...here's something right up your alley!


 TR> You know that democrat KKK leader who just shot up some Jewish centers
 TR> in Kansas City? You know...Anthony Weiner's buddy?


 BM>Oh, now he's a democrat?? Well, he was in 1984 but the Dems threw him out
 BM>on his ass.  In 1986 he ran for the NC GOP Senate seat.  So what's your
 BM>point?


 TR> And he didn't do any better there, either. So what's YOUR point?


 BM>My point was to expose you and your rhetoric.


 TR> The only thing you've been able to `expose' is your own ass! Your pants
 TR> fell down again!

Oh, because you didn't include he was also a republican and I called you out on
it is my fault?  Being you knew he was both, why didn't you say that to begin
with?  That's the basis of your pomposity when you deal with issues.  You leave
out very important parts to fit your needs. Again, ASSume your own failings.


 TR> He went to the *democrats* first! Not surprising, since the *democrats*
 TR> were the ones who held them as slaves, and after the Civil War, held
 TR> them down as best they could. It was the democrats who started the KKK
 TR> to begin with! And all those big-name racists in the south were
 TR> *democrats*.


 BM>LOL.... you sound like a kid who just got caught with his hands in the
 BM>cookie jar... screaming, but Roy took one first!!


 TR> And `you' appear to be attempting to gin up a `the sky is falling' type
 TR> of controversy that doesn't exist!

Sure it did.. got a rise out of you.


 BM>You speak of things that happened over 100 years ago.


 TR> A hundred years ago? Much of the real violence and murdering of black
 TR> civil rights demonstrators, and the standing in the doorways of schools
 TR> by white democrats to block integration, took place right in my
 TR> lifetime!

I was talking about slaves. Actually I should have said 150 years ago.  My
apologies.

 BM>How about we talk
 BM>about from 1944 on when the Klan reorganized after the depression.


 TR> Yeah...lets.


 TR> Lets see....in the early 1940's an obscure individual named Bob Byrd,
 TR> who was a butcher at the time, recruited 150 individuals, charged each
 TR> of them $13 (a ten dollar joining fee, and three dollars for the robes
 TR> and hood), and the `grand dragon' for that area came down there to Crab
 TR> Orchard, and officially organized the chapter.


 TR> That `official' was Joel Baskin, a democrat!


 TR> At his urging, Byrd went into politics....as a democrat!


 TR> Byrd had other titles as well; "kleagle" (recruiter), exalted cyclops
 TR> (top officer in the local kaln unit).


 TR> Or Strom Thurmond. Thurmond was a staunch democrat who led some of the
 TR> most infamous acts of white suppression of the modern day civil rights
 TR> movement in the history of the movement.

Didn't Strom convert to the Republican party in 1964 due to the Civil Rights
Act? 


 TR> George Wallace. Wallace was a democrat who was one of the most racist,
 TR> obstructionist foes of equal rights for blacks.

Didn't Wallace also leave the Dems when he ran for president all over
desegragation? You see, when the Dems saw the error of their ways, the GOP
gladly stepped up to the plate and resume the racism with a smile on their
face.  Party lines have changed and you can't dispute that.  Case in point,
look at the 1954 GOP platform.  If anyone in the GOP was to stroll that out
before GOP masses in today's world, they'd most likely shoot them.



 BM>Shall
 BM>we discuss their ties to the neo-nazi (I know, I've just opened a can of
 BM>worms here... but who cares) and then in the 1970's when right wing
 BM>extremists decided to jump into the insanity.


 TR> If you're talking about the southern democrats who fought the civil
 TR> rights movement, you have a point. Surely `segregating' blacks by the
 TR> southern democrat racists, could be compared to the Nazis seperating
 TR> the Jews from `arians'.

I was talking about the 70's not during the 60's when you were absolutley
correct.  


 BM>Wasn't a southern democrat the one who signed the civil rights act.


 TR> If you're talking about Lyndon Johnson...Johnson was an
 TR> easily-manipulated politician who `went with the flow'. He `tested the
 TR> wind' before he ever did anything of a significant nature. He signed it
 TR> because he pretty much HAD to, or else give the democrat party a
 TR> permanent black eye!

Oh?  I disagree about him being easily manupulated when it came to civil
rights.  He played the game very well. Vietnam is a different story. He was a
typical politician when it came to filling his pockets with Bell Helicopter
profits.  


 BM>But I will admit Howard Smith
 BM>was a racist SOB and he bit the bullet after he knew his rediculous views
 BM>would make him a laughing stock.


 TR> Or how about Richard Cohen? That overtly heavy-handed revisionist of
 TR> history?

The Washington Post writer?

 TR> Is he where you get your info on this?


 TR> You know...I looked up Thurmond and Byrd...and a few others...and you
 TR> really have to DIG DEEP to get the information tht they were
 TR> *democrtats* who strongly resisted the civil rights movement. 

I never mentioned either of those two but I'm sure I could dig up others who
were as much of an ass as those two.  The funny thing is that Thurmond saw the
rift in the Democratic party and saw the GOP picking up the racist flag so he
ran with it.  

 TR> People
 TR> like Cohen are slowly revising history to `clean up' the image of
 TR> southern democrats in regard to blacks and the civil rights movement.

I hope they never do... what the Dems did back then was horendous but on the
same token, what the GOP of today is doing is as well.  


 BM>You see, things change Tim.  You have to stop living in the past and
 BM>thinking what was should be the status quo today.


 TR> Yeah....won't do for people like you to be reminded who the REAL badies
 TR> were in regard to civil rights, would it?


Oh I agree there were badies, but who's picked up the slack from those "bad
Dems"?  

 BM>Even your darling out in Vegas is loosing his appeal and the GOP is
 BM>running away from him like he was radioactive.  To top it all, Hannity is
 BM>leading the retreat.  Funny how he praised Bloomsburg Seach and Frisk
 BM>policy saying no one is above the law and the police need this measure to
 BM>enforce the LAW.  Guess that same policy doesn't apply to some rancher who
 BM>owes over a million bucks because he doesn't beleive in the Federal
 BM>Government.  Go back and do some research on the Whiskey Rebellion Tim.
 BM>See what Bundy's hero George Washington did back then. He was one of the
 BM>Founding Fathers was he not?  Those "good ole' boys" are lucky. All that
 BM>was needed was one of those drunken idiots fire a shot in the air and
 BM>they'd be burying those so called "patriots".


 TR> If you're refering to Bundy, I'm not `for' nor `against' him. I think
 TR> there's a lot more to that than most of the nation just reading
 TR> newspapers or catching it on news broadcasts, are aware of.

Oh, that he's been fighting paying his land grazing fees because he doesn't
believe in the Federal Government anymore?  That every court in the last 20
years has ruled against him? That he had a few 100 armed "cowboys" who were
screaming and getting in the face of the BLM officers when they were peforming
their jobs? Those same cowboys who had snipers sitting on overpasses looking
down on the confrontation? That ALL of those belonging to the tea party and the
FauxEntertainment people were praising him for breaking the law then as soon as
he exposed his racist views, they all ran and stuck their heads in the sand.
That there was precidence for the Federal Government to go in a squash this so
called "freedom rally"? Again, another one hit wonder sent to slaughter by the
GOP's mouthpiece. 

 BM>C'est la vie... a few missing racists is no biggie... right Tim? Bill


 TR> Yeah...here's one of your `few missing racists':


 TR> Remember Eugene Conner? You'd probably best remember him as `Bull'
 TR> Conner. He was a democrat also. He's the one who was public safety
 TR> commissioner of Birmingham Alabama, and was the one who ordered the
 TR> dogs and high-pressure fire hoses turned loose on civil rights
 TR> protesters. He becamse famous (or `infamous' would be more like it) for
 TR> that. Did you know that `Bull' Connor was also a member of the
 TR> Democratic National Committee?

Funny, those actions by him were probably the catalyst for the Civil Rights
movement in the south.  Again, another one who "left" the party in 1948 when
they nominated Thurmond.  


 TR> Not only was `Bull' Conner a member of the Democratic National
 TR> Committee, he was also a dues-paying member of the Ku Klux Klan.


 TR> Did you know that, when klan members attacked civil rights
 TR> demonstrators with bats and metal pipes, Conner let the violence go on
 TR> for a length of time without an police interference. AND no arrests of
 TR> the klan members who engaged in the violence were made! NONE!

Again, these actions backfired on him.  When all this was happening, he was
more of a dixiecrat, the extreme right wing Dems who can be most compared to
the extreme right wing of the GOP today.  Not all Dems were saints just as
there were loonies in the GOP as well.... McCarthy ring a bell?  What was one
back then to destroy the civil rights movement by the Dems has been carried
forward by the GOP today.   


 TR> By the way....`Bull' Conner was active in the democrat party at the
 TR> same time as Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond, Al Gore sr (of Tennessee),
 TR> and many other big -name democrats who were leading figures opposing
 TR> civil rights for blacks in those days.

Read above...

 TR> And lets not forget that 80% of the `no' votes on that bill in the
 TR> Senate, and 75% of the `no' votes of that bill in th eHouse.....came
 TR> from DEMOCRATS!

That's funny, in my history books the Civil Rights Act passed through the
Senate with 69% of the Dems in the Senate voting Yea and 63% in the House. 
Granted, southern Dems tried to crush it with filibusters but due to Johnson's
persuation and 4 bi-partisan senators, after 57 days of nonsense it passed
cloture. 

 TR> Bull Conner was a DEMOCRAT, born and bred! Was a DEMOCRAT all his
 TR> life...and died a DEMOCRAT who hated blacks!


 TR> MSNBC's Chris Hayes once stated that George Wallace was a `republican'.
 TR> He was wrong. Wallace was a life-long democrat!

Read above...

 TR> And John Kennedy was very reluctant to endorse the civil rights
 TR> legislation as he didn't want to risk losing support from his `southern
 TR> democrats' in the Congress, although he DID endorse it after the events
 TR> in Birmingham. So don't even go there!

That's one of the reasons LBJ was chosen. Read above... :)

 TR> The left is trying very hard to make it `those terrible republicans'
 TR> who were the racist inhibitors of the civil rights movement...but it
 TR> was DEMOCRATS all the way!

But what about today?  Very smart people would say you learn from your
mistakes.  Does today's GOP not understand that? 

Enjoy... 


Bill

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