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Skriven 2012-07-29 11:59:18 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
   Kommentar till text 1469 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Ward's Z1 node number
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Hello Michiel,

>> Hmm.. lemme check my correspondences from web friends:

> "Web spies" you mean...

OIC.. when it is you folks pouring over my logs and bbs, that's ok because who
the heck KNOWS what juicy tidbit you might find (lol), but when I am contacted
by folks because they don't like what is going on, they are "web spies" ..
Really Michiel, I wish you would realize how silly you seem right now.

> Indeed, those are not MY words. But whoever wrote that sure got it right! You

See, that's what I'm talking about.  Encouragement from you and others.  This
was just the first example I was shown, there probably are plenty more.

>> WD >> applications?
>> Chorus

> Your web spy is lifting things out of contect, twisting words and he is a bad
> translator. Get yourself a new "web friend".

The jist of the text is there, and cleary makes sense in the context in the
message(s) I was shown.

>> Shall I show more?

>If the above is the best that you can come up with to show that I was "pushing
> Ward, you need not bother. You have already lost.

Actually I doubt it is "the best" haha.. I don't have time to dig and don't
care to.  This example was sufficient.

>> Give me a break.  If Ward _moves_ to the US, no problem and you know
>> it.

>No, I do not know it. Ward HAS moved to the US. He walks there, he eats there,
>he sleeps there, he shits there. More to the point, he is the sysop of a syste
> that is  physically located in the US and that system can send and receive
> netmail.

It's a vacation camp :)  It's a boy scout camp that will dissolve shortly :) He
is not "living there".. he is "visiting" there. :)

>> But say Bob agrees to list him.. the man has to get an application in.

> Hypothetical:

>Would you not say that if a candidate sysop makes an error in the application,
>that it is the duty of the *C in question to help the candidate to correct the
> error and do everything in his/her power to help the candidate sysop to get
> listed ASAP?

If a node cannot get a netmail to his *C accepting applications, he's already
FAILED and no amount of help from a *C will help because the node NEEDS to know
how his own system works. "Student, go back to 'SysOp Mailers 101' class. Come
back when you've figured out how to do this."


>>>>> why does it
>>>>> take so long?

>> Because Ward is a silly goose? :)

> You think that is a valid reason to not process a request for a node number?

I do, if he hasn't sent in an application!

> Nowhere does it say one can not have node numbers in more than one zone. See
> above, the precedent of Pablo Kleinman.

Why does he need another?

It makes no sense that _this_ particular year, _of all the years_ that Ward has
been vacationing in Montana that he suddenly needs a node number to accomplish
what he's been accomplishing all those years with his point address.

Not only that, but I know for a fact that internet accessibility in that area
of the United States (at a boy scout camp) will be limited.

Geez, last year Ward gave me incredible amounts of grief because I sent him
email about problems in the Fidonews echo and did not CALL him voice!!  Did you
forget about that little gem?

>The requirement is
> that one is in control of a system that can send and receive netmail during
> ZMH.

Doesn't matter, except that he hasn't been able to netmail his *C.

>> 3 - Perhaps he doesn't even know how to submit an application...

> Bovine Excrement.

Doesn't matter what you think here either.

>> because Bob Seaborn told me to tell you:

>> "mikey- Ward has NOT applied for a z1 aka,

>Ward did indeed not apply for a Z1 _AKA_. An AKA is a additional number for an
> already listed system. Ward applied for a _new_ number for a _new_ system. A
> system located in the US.

Semantics... and isn't that sad that Z2C can even get his smart phone to
operate as a computer netmail system <grin>

>> he simply inquired on how to go about it.  He was told how, and as of
>> right now, no application has been received."

> Ah, it got lost in the mail.... yet another excuse...

Who said lost in the mail?  I saw Bob say Ward has no clue in how to follow the
directions he was given.

>>> Auw, c'mon... you don't really want to make us believe that Ward with
>>> well ove two decades of FidoNet experience is unable to pass the
>>> application procedure?

>> Exactly.

> This has no credibility.

Sure it does.  Why would Bob lie?

>>> The requirement for joining Fidonet is to have an FTN compatible
>>> mailer on-lin that can send and receive netmail at least during ZMH.
>>> Nowhere does it say tha "to be considered a trouble maker" is cause
>>> for denying a node number.

>> 10.3  Case Histories

>We all know that the so called "case histories" are fiction. They are made up,

Doesn't matter, Michiel.  There are other references:

"You must not assign a node number to any system until you have received a
formal request from that system by FidoNet mail."

>> If he _can_ get his application in, RC17 will consider his
>> application.  I have NOT told Bob or any *C not to process his
>> application.

> But you have not told him to stop stalling and playing games either and to do
> his job as RC and NC and list him in R17  ASAP.

The onus is on Ward, not Bob.

[rest of your nonsense deleted].

Take care,
Janis

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