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Skriven 2012-08-04 21:18:28 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Ward's Z1 node numbe
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Hello Dale,

On Friday August 03 2012 22:55, you wrote to me:

 DS>>  MVDV> It just never occured to me to hunt for _MT in the
 DS>> location field of individual nodes. In this part of the world it
 DS>> is  not custom to add comparable information to the location
 DS>> field. It is only done when there is an ambiguity problem.

 DS> Your editor is still messing up the quotes.  I did not say the above,
 DS> you did -- and my quotes showed that,

It is YOUR system that is at fault.

 DS> but your editior stripped the attribution to all but the top line and
 DS> inserted attribution to me.

That is because your system does not put a paragraph seperator between the end
of your ow text and the quoted text marked by the string "MVDV>". That way it
is in the middle of a paragraph and not recognised as quoted text. Here is a
hex dump of the first part of your orginal message:

Hexdump of message text:

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0010   20 20 32 32  3A 35 37 2C  20 20 4D 69  63 68 69 65    22:57,  Michie
0020   6C 20 56 61  6E 20 44 65  72 20 56 6C  69 73 74 20  l Van Der Vlist
0030   3C 3D 2D 0D  20 2D 3D 3E  20 73 70 6F  6B 65 20 74  <=-. -=> spoke t
0040   6F 20 4D 61  72 6B 20 4C  65 77 69 73  20 61 62 6F  o Mark Lewis abo
0050   75 74 20 57  61 72 64 27  73 20 5A 31  20 6E 6F 64  ut Ward's Z1 nod
0060   65 20 6E 75  6D 62 65 72  20 3C 3D 2D  0D 0D 20 4D  e number <=-.. M
0070   56 44 56 3E  20 49 74 20  6A 75 73 74  20 6E 65 76  VDV> It just nev
0080   65 72 20 6F  63 63 75 72  65 64 20 74  6F 20 6D 65  er occured to me
0090   20 74 6F 20  68 75 6E 74  20 66 6F 72  20 5F 4D 54   to hunt for _MT
00A0   20 69 6E 20  74 68 65 20  6C 6F 63 61  74 69 6F 6E   in the location
00B0   20 0D 20 4D  56 44 56 3E  20 66 69 65  6C 64 20 6F   . MVDV> field o
00C0   66 20 69 6E  64 69 76 69  64 75 61 6C  20 6E 6F 64  f individual nod
00D0   65 73 2E 20  49 6E 20 74  68 69 73 20  70 61 72 74  es. In this part
00E0   20 6F 66 20  74 68 65 20  77 6F 72 6C  64 20 69 74   of the world it
00F0   20 69 73 20  0D 20 4D 56  44 56 3E 20  6E 6F 74 20   is . MVDV> not

It is YOUR system that is messing things up.

Also the reply kludge is missing in your messages, which makes it difficult to
go back in the tread.

 DS>> There are many duplicate town names in the US.  Try looking for
 DS>> Springfield without specifying the state:-}}   OTOH, there seem
 DS>> to be only four towns called Bigfork in various states.  IOW,
 DS>> including the state name in the listing is essential in almost
 DS>> every instance.

 MVDV>> In Europe, there is much less of a problem. Duplicate names
 MVDV>> occur, but

 DS> But, we are not talking about Europe, We are talking about America.
 DS> Vast difference.

You can not expect me to know every little detail of how things are done in the
US. Just like you can not expect that from a new sysop form the US.

 MVDV>> In the old day of the state monopoly, it was not so hard to
 MVDV>> determine the cost of a call in advance. Just study the
 MVDV>> number plan.

 MVDV>> Now... it is a bit more complicated. The local call is
 MVDV>> gone. The distance factor is no longer part of the

 DS> True over here on this side of the pond as well.  Plus there is the
 DS> complication of cell phones versus land lines.

That is not a problems here cell phones do not have numbers in the land line
ranges. They all start with 06.

 DS> In my state there are two area codes for land lines, but some numbers
 DS> in each area code are a local call for me on my land line, whereas
 DS> others are not.  The only way I can tell is to try dialing the number,
 DS> e.g. 301-555-1212.  If a local call it goes through and rings.  If not
 DS> a local call, I get a message "you must first dial 1", which is how
 DS> one dials a long distance number.

What a mess...

 DS> In that case, I have to try alternate methods since I
 DS> do not have a long distance carrier on my land line.

Here we do not have carriers that offer local only access. Though some offer an
extra hurdle like a PIN code for some call ranges. To prevent unauthorised
persons that have access to you phone from making long distance or
international calls or otherwise expensive calls.

 DS> Many cell phones do not charge extra for calling long distance. Some
 DS> carriers do not charge for calls within their own cell phone network.

The latter is also the case here.

 DS>> However -- is the phone even relevant? Does Ward have a modem on
 DS>> the computer he has there?  Or is he trying to connect using
 DS>> internet?

 MVDV>> I don't know, he did not tell me.

 DS> If he does not, then does he have an internet domain that points to
 DS> his computer in MT and not the computers at his home?

I know that he has binkp capability.

 DS> That would be important for the NC to be able to connect with him at
 DS> the computer he is applying from.

Yes, that would be relevant. But not as long as the position is taken that an
application was not filed at all...


Cheers, Michiel

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