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Text 4287, 90 rader
Skriven 2012-10-02 15:40:13 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
     Kommentar till en text av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: FidoNews 29:40 [02/06]: General Articles
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16 Sep 22 15:10, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>> 18 Aug 03 15:10, FidoNews Robot wrote to All:

 RB> The radical-controlled version...

Depends(tm) on your point of view.

i.e. The Z1 version is controlled by an NAB radical.

 RW>> Great article, Michiel...Go NADs!

 RB> Notice that he does not mention with even one word the cause of the
 RB> attempt to segregate the Z2 radicals from the echo and the
 RB> newsletter.

Great political move, on his part.

 RB> And even more, there is nothing new about all this.

No one mentioned anything about any of it being 'new'...it was just a
historical account from a NAD point of view.

 RB>  At the latest since the Internet became worldwide and the binkp
 RB> protocol was developed, there has been no further reason for
 RB> obtaining echomail from the nearest geographical source.

Nice thing about the internet; it allowed independent thinkers to do away
with paying into a fund so that everyone, even those who abused that
system, could have echomail. I was the first in net202 to do that, way
back in 1996-97.

 RB> I suppose the attempt to remove the radicals from the echo and the
 RB> newsletter was doomed from the start, but it was certainly a valiant
 RB> attempt to tone dowm the echo and revive the newsletter.

I was for the 'attempt' to do something about ONE individual who became
the radical among the denizens of the echo, but not for what was devised
by a spur of the moment decision based on the ill-temper of the person who
did it, thus cutting an entire zone from access. That wasn't right, even
in my book.

The truth of that pudding was my offer to share my source with anyone who
wanted the echo in spite of the NAB's filtering Z2 out of it, no matter
who they were. Adversity makes for strange bed-fellows.

 RB>  If Ward had cooperated in this, or even used his influence to tone
 RB> down the more radical of those writing from Z2 addresses (two come to
 RB> mind, plus one user who is nothing more than a creature of Bjorn
 RB> Felten), the present situation would never have developed.

You know as well as I do that Ward will take the side that would be
against the person who was instrumental in voting him out of the 'King of
Fidonet' seat. Two radicals (Ward and Janis) are the same as two
negatives, they repel each other. You may have been naive in thinking that
Ward was going to help out there, but his KOF attitude and denial to help
in that matter was no surprise to those who know him for what he is.

 RB> Petty rivalries, the hunger for power (IC) and short-sightedness
 RB> prevented any attempt to constructively restructure the echo and the
 RB> news letter. Now we have the result.

What we have are two points of view wrapped up in two seperate but equal
publications of Fidonews the newletter. The one that will win the sysops
over will be the publication that has the most content. Whether that
pertains to Fidonet or not. OR, there will be a continuation of both with
increasing content to compete with the other. In spite of the Z1
publication naysayers about subjects not being of Fidonet interest, there
are much better items, like echo stats, who is coming back to the hobby or
who is new to the hobby and technical articles such as the proper use of
nodelist flags that have been the bane of *Cs for decades.

There's still a way to rid the echo of the foremost radical among us and
that should be everyone's business, rather than ignoring every word that
he writes in the echo. Slap him around and he'll shut-up, just like he
has in the face of opposition to his radical ideas of what the world
outside of sveden should be like. One or two can't do it, it should be
everyone's business to quiet that person. Ignore the ranting of his two
cohorts and target the worst of them, Bjorn Felten.

                R\%/itt


... Mark Owen: "Hey, did you ever hear anything about that beer?
... Fellow SEAL: "You believed that s**t, I bet you voted for change too,
... SUCKER."


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