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Skriven 2012-11-17 12:35:13 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
     Kommentar till en text av Richard Webb (1:116/901.0)
Ärende: Food for thought
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 On 01 Jan 70 00:00, Richard Webb wrote to Roy Witt:

 Roy>>> That wouldn't be my job, as it takes more than even Michiel van
 Roy>>> der Vlist's scientific brain to figure out ALL of the
 Roy>>> ramifications of an impending sun spot cycle that is predicted to
 Roy>>> be more than we've ever experienced in modern times.

 RW>> YEah mine either.  I'm just an audio guy <grin>.  Or, as my
 RW>> military friends say, "above my pay grade" <grin>.

 Roy>> That isn't my forte' either. I couldn't care less about the 800
 Roy>> watts of power your amp can produce, or the base that an 18"
 Roy>> speaker can provide. All I care about is that when I Iisten to talk
 Roy>> radio, the speaker isn't cracked and that the speaker's voice is
 Roy>> clear. But if you want to discuss cars and/or building
 Roy>> communications antennas, I'm all ears.

 RW> I'm with you on the later.

I figured that you would care about the former.

 RW> My area of audio is capture more than the macho guys with the big
 RW> stereo.  What technique to use to capture the chamber orchestra, or
 RW> the rock drummer's kit, etc.

How about the Mexican music called ata, etc...not my cup of tea.

 RW> AS for cars, my ideal vehicles are vans or trucks, they haul stuff,
 RW> otherwise it's jsut transportation, and if I can carry it on my body
 RW> the bus works,

There is no bus service around here, best you could do is a taxi for
public transport. The AMTRAK passenger train doesn't even stop here,
although it is slated to do so in the near future. But that won't be a
24/7 operation, just an AM/PM commuter between SA and Austin.

 RW> they don't want me driving you Maserati or your Camaro anyway <grin>.

You would probably fair much better than some of the 'blind' drivers
around here. Most of them, California-Imported no doubt. Texas driver's
are well equipped with polite driving manners and that rubs off on the
older generation of CA imports.

 RW> <snip>

 Roy>> But, the Mayans had a lot longer time to do 'something' and that
 Roy>> was to study the natural phenomina in their environment. Which
 Roy>> included such things as a study of the stars, how the sun and moon
 Roy>> affect certain things in their lives and to even make a calendar
 Roy>> that is more accurate than the calendars we use today. Based in
 Roy>> scientific knowledge instead of religion...

 RW> YEah they did, but they missed on the 2012 part,

Not yet they haven't. 12-21-2012 About the beginning of the solar
winter cycle...

 RW> unless it's the big emp or something which drives man back to the
 RW> stone age, or at least pre electronic technology civilization for the
 RW> most part.

I could go there. Of course, I'd miss Fidonet, Rush on Radio and NASCAR on
TV, but somehow, I think I could get over that.

 RW> Have done a bunch of reading on emp, both from this solar cycle and
 RW> others, and possibly manmade, such as a nuke.

Read the Amateur Radio Newsline article posted in LS-ARRL, HAM and the
internet on EMP drones, to catch up.

 RW> <big snip>

 RW>> Solar Cycle #xx, as in SC24, which we entered into in the beginning
 Roy>> of 2008, which is gradually heading and unstoppably so towards a
 Roy>> maximum in the latter part of 2012. AKA, we're in it now and it
 Roy>> will produce what is scientifically known as a Corona Mass Ejection
 Roy>> (CME).

 RW> Oh yeah, they just predicted it to start peaking a little
 RW> before it did.

It should get real interesting in about a month, if they have predicted
things right.

 Roy>> There was a spectacular aurora event caused by a CME in 1859 that
 Roy>> could be seen from latitudes further south than normal, worldwide.
 Roy>> If 2012 is expected to be even worse than the major solar event of
 Roy>> 1859, just think of the affects it will have on an electronic age
 Roy>> world. It could bring down communications, disable satellites,
 Roy>> ground aircraft and even fry chips and circuits if it is severe
 Roy>> enough.

 RW> YEs, the Carrington event iirc.  Read a bunch on it.  A
 RW> couple years back MIke LUther posted some facts about that
 RW> one in the muffin echo, which were reprinted in fidogazette
 RW> iirc.

Mike may be onto to something...

 Roy>> You can see as an example what that would do to the world, by
 Roy>> observing the situation in New Jersey and New York after Sandy, as
 Roy>> residents there complain about having to live without the modern
 Roy>> conveniences of no gasoline (pumps), no electricity, no running
 Roy>> water or cold water if they're lucky and the contamination of
 Roy>> stagnant sewer water that keeps them in an unhealthy environment
 Roy>> 24/7...

 RW> YEp, and like you say we'll have some warning, but all that
 RW> infrastructure's still gonna crump.  Glad i've got ham
 RW> radio, and can unplug until after the big one then run
 RW> sparingly on batteries.

You'll have to do more than unplug if you want to survive the EMP
predicted for next month.

 RW> <snip>

 Roy>> As a final note on this, it should be noted that some scientists
 Roy>> are connecting the sun's solar activity with tectonic and
 Roy>> geothermal activity ... that is to say, volcanoes, earthquakes and
 Roy>> (consequently) tsunamis and changes in the weather patterns.

 RW> Have read on that too.  Quite a wealth of material if
 RW> anybody's interested.

That makes more sense to me than somebody claiming that mankind can is the
cause of climate change...i.e. CO2 happens naturally and the more the
better, according to some of these guys.

 Roy>> If these causalities are valid, the global changes that so many
 Roy>> have predicted may be ushered in by nothing more than our friendly,
 Roy>> or not so friendly, sun. Certainly, man can do nothing to change
 Roy>> that.

 RW> Indeed this is true.

 RW> <snip again>

 Roy>> Having your own energy devices is a good start on survival with the
 Roy>> scenario I've just painted, but you'll also need a means of feeding
 Roy>> your lady and yourself as well...not to mention the dog... 8^)

 RW> OH yeah there's that, but you can always trade <grin>.

Depends(tm) on what you have to trade. Dollars, meaning any currency,
won't be worth the paper it's printed on, precious metal will be almost
worthless in the face of 'there's nothing I'd trade for your gold' that
can keep my stomach from growling.


            R\%/itt

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