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Skriven 2007-05-22 01:13:54 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 18153 av Ad (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Your next PC is... a phone
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Smartphones do not have anywhere near the I/O perf and capacity of =
PCs even those few years old.  Sure I can add a memory card to my phone = but I
could add slow memory to PCs from years ago.  My PC of several = years back had
a terrabyte of storage.  Phones are nowhere close.  RAM = of a phone, not flash
storage, is low and usually in the tens or if = lucky the hundreds of megabytes
not gigabytes.  Display size of phones = is tiny.  Human interface input
limited though because perf is not an = issue you can use a bluetooth PC
keyboard with some phones such as mine.

   All in all, a phone makes a crappy PC.  I very much like my =
smartphone and it is good at what it does.  It doesn't do what a PC does = nor
is it as good as a PC for many of the things the phone can do like = email and
web access.

   I'll believe you believe your nonsense when you get rid of all the =
PCs you and your family have at home and use only your phones.

Rich

  "Ad" <Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com> wrote in message =
news:46528664$1@w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:

  >    My dumb=20
  remote control that came with my TV has a general purpose
  > CPU.  Is that a PC too?  I think not.  Form factor makes a =
significant=20
  > difference just like I/O capability and capacity.
  > =20

  Indeed & now smartphones are getting the IO & capacity of PC'es of =
only=20
  a few years ago & then you oddly didn't have a problem with calling=20
  machines of that capacity PC'es.

  How odd.

  Gee my phone has 2gb persistent storage. It took years & years of PC=20
  ownership before I got a machine with 2gb of persistent storage.

  Adam


  > Rich
  > =20
  >=20
  >     "Ad" <Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com
  >     <mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com>> wrote in =
message
  >     news:46516530@w3.nls.net...
  >     Rich wrote:
  >      >    You made comparison on CPU power which you edited out of =
this
  >     message
  >      > maybe to hide that.
  >=20
  >     Rubbish. I just dislike massive quotebacks as most people assume =
that
  >     threading is there for that vs having the entire thread in each =
post.
  >=20
  >     I did make a comparison on CPU power but CPU power is not what =
makes a
  >     mainframe where instead it's stuff like IO etc.
  >=20
  >     I'd hate to assume you know something as basic as that though =
however
  >     one wonders why you used a mainframe if you were simply talking =
about
  >     CPU power.
  >=20
  >      > That comparison is bogus just as much for PCs as it
  >      > is for mainframes.
  >      >
  >=20
  >     Rubbish. A GPCPU is a GPCPU. The form factor changes nothing.
  >=20
  >     Do you have a CPU, RAM & persistent storage? If so what is the =
speed of
  >     the system as a whole?
  >=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >      >    Now you are trying to make a silly comparison over how or =
when
  >     folks
  >      > use the term "computer".  To point out how silly this is, I =
have
  >     been
  >      > told that my personal car has a number of "computers" in it.  =
What
  >      > rediculous claims do you want to make about that?
  >      >=20
  >=20
  >     Depends on what they do. I have a friend who has installed a
  >     computer in
  >     his car which plays films, MP3 etc. I believe it's a small cold =
running
  >     via cpu based device & currently runs linux but could run an =
obscure
  >     operating system called "Windows" & is accessed through either a
  >     touchscreen &/or a bluetooth keyboard.
  >=20
  >=20
  >     I suppose that since it can run "Windows" it should be =
discounted as
  >     being a computer & instead be classified as an "entertainment
  >     device" or
  >     possibly "electronic toy".
  >=20
  >=20
  >     Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Smartphones do not have =
anywhere near=20
the I/O perf and capacity of PCs even those&nbsp;few years old.&nbsp; = Sure I
can=20
add a memory card to my phone but I could add slow memory to PCs from =
years=20
ago.&nbsp; My PC of several years back had a terrabyte of storage.&nbsp; =
Phones=20
are nowhere close.&nbsp; RAM of a phone, not flash storage, is low and =
usually=20
in the tens or if lucky the hundreds of megabytes not gigabytes.&nbsp; =
Display=20
size of phones is tiny.&nbsp; Human interface input limited though = because
perf=20
is not an issue you can use a bluetooth PC keyboard with some phones = such
as=20
mine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; All in all, a phone makes =
a crappy=20
PC.&nbsp; I very much like my smartphone and it is good at what it =
does.&nbsp;=20
It doesn't do what a PC does nor is it as good as a PC for many of the =
things=20
the phone can do like email and web access.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I'll believe you believe =
your nonsense=20
when you get rid of all the PCs you and your family have at home and use =
only=20
your phones.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Ad" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin@theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:46528664$1@w3.nls.net">news:46528664$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>Rich=20
  wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My dumb <BR>remote control that =
came with=20
  my TV has a general purpose<BR>&gt; CPU.&nbsp; Is that a PC too?&nbsp; =
I think=20
  not.&nbsp; Form factor makes a significant <BR>&gt; difference just =
like I/O=20
  capability and capacity.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>Indeed &amp; now =
smartphones=20
  are getting the IO &amp; capacity of PC'es of only <BR>a few years ago =
&amp;=20
  then you oddly didn't have a problem with calling <BR>machines of that =

  capacity PC'es.<BR><BR>How odd.<BR><BR>Gee my phone has 2gb persistent =

  storage. It took years &amp; years of PC <BR>ownership before I got a =
machine=20
  with 2gb of persistent storage.<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR><BR>&gt; =
Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Ad" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin@theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com</A><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">mailto:Dobbin@theS=
tablesCloseToTheAirport.com</A>&gt;&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:46516530@w3.nls.net">news:46516530@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You=20
  made comparison on CPU power which you edited out of=20
  this<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  message<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; maybe to hide =
that.<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rubbish. I just dislike massive =
quotebacks as=20
  most people assume that<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; threading is =
there for=20
  that vs having the entire thread in each post.<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I did make a comparison on CPU power =
but CPU=20
  power is not what makes a<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mainframe =
where=20
  instead it's stuff like IO etc.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'd=20
  hate to assume you know something as basic as that though=20
  however<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; one wonders why you used a =
mainframe=20
  if you were simply talking about<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; CPU=20
  power.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; That =
comparison is=20
  bogus just as much for PCs as it<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt; is=20
  for mainframes.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rubbish. A GPCPU is a GPCPU. The form =
factor=20
  changes nothing.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you have =
a CPU,=20
  RAM &amp; persistent storage? If so what is the speed=20
  of<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the system as a whole?<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Now you=20
  are trying to make a silly comparison over how or=20
  when<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  folks<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; use the term=20
  "computer".&nbsp; To point out how silly this is, I=20
  have<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  been<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; told that my personal =
car has=20
  a number of "computers" in it.&nbsp;=20
  What<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; rediculous claims do =
you want=20
  to make about that?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Depends on what they do. I have a =
friend who=20
  has installed a<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; computer=20
  in<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; his car which plays films, MP3 etc. =
I=20
  believe it's a small cold running<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; via =
cpu=20
  based device &amp; currently runs linux but could run an=20
  obscure<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; operating system called =
"Windows"=20
  &amp; is accessed through either a<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
touchscreen=20
  &amp;/or a bluetooth keyboard.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I suppose that since it can run =
"Windows" it=20
  should be discounted as<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; being a =
computer &amp;=20
  instead be classified as an =
"entertainment<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  device" or<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; possibly "electronic =
toy".<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Adam</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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