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Skriven 2004-09-06 09:32:40 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 454 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   It is not all or none.  You benefit as a domain owner, as mike miller =
did, simply by publishing your specification and every time a server =
implements checking.  You benefit as an email recipient by implementing = the
checking and every time a domain publishes its specification.  The = benefit is
incremental.  Everytime someone else implements all, others = gain.  It is not
all or none.

   Spammers adopting this is wonderful.  They have to identify their own =
domains which gets one serious problem out of the way.  Great!  Everyone = can
move on to other issues.

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c7f8b$1@w3.nls.net...
  You are wrong, that's not all it requires unless you only exchange =
email with
  one other server. If you do email with the whole world (not an =
unreasonable pov
  for someone who runs ISP mail servers) then you need the whole world =
to
  implement SPF checks or any one of them who doesn't could receive =
forged email
  from your domain. The fact that YOU implement SPF is meaningless, it =
does
  nothing for YOU.

  SPF is going to force some very small changes in the way spam and =
virus
  propagation work, those changes are going to make things worse not =
better. You
  watch, the net effect will be negative. Spammers have already adopted =
SPF
  because it lowers the ratings on their spams, likewise virus writers =
will
  realize there is an advantage to using the local SMTP server instead =
of
  emulating it.

  Control is in the hands of the IP address owner and SPF ignores that, =
instead
  it attempts to regulate things based on domain name instead of IP =
address. It's
  the same approach that OCX uses and it's doomed to the same problems.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c6cb7$1@w3.nls.net...
     Not true at all.  It only requires the sender domain to publish a =
record and
  recipient to implement it.  The recipient cares about no other senders =
or even
  if the sender implements the checks.

     Look no further than mike miller for an example of it working =
without
  everyone using it.

  Rich



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; It is not all or =
none.&nbsp; You=20
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specification and every time a server implements checking.&nbsp; You = benefit
as=20
an email recipient by implementing the checking and every time a domain=20
publishes its specification.&nbsp; The benefit is incremental.&nbsp; =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Spammers adopting this is=20
wonderful.&nbsp; They have to identify their own domains which gets one =
serious=20
problem out of the way.&nbsp; Great!&nbsp; Everyone can move on to other =

issues.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c7f8b$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c7f8b$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>You=20
  are wrong, that's not all it requires unless you only exchange email=20
  with<BR>one other server. If you do email with the whole world (not an =

  unreasonable pov<BR>for someone who runs ISP mail servers) then you =
need the=20
  whole world to<BR>implement SPF checks or any one of them who doesn't =
could=20
  receive forged email<BR>from your domain. The fact that YOU implement =
SPF is=20
  meaningless, it does<BR>nothing for YOU.<BR><BR>SPF is going to force =
some=20
  very small changes in the way spam and virus<BR>propagation work, =
those=20
  changes are going to make things worse not better. You<BR>watch, the =
net=20
  effect will be negative. Spammers have already adopted SPF<BR>because =
it=20
  lowers the ratings on their spams, likewise virus writers =
will<BR>realize=20
  there is an advantage to using the local SMTP server instead =
of<BR>emulating=20
  it.<BR><BR>Control is in the hands of the IP address owner and SPF =
ignores=20
  that, instead<BR>it attempts to regulate things based on domain name =
instead=20
  of IP address. It's<BR>the same approach that OCX uses and it's doomed =
to the=20
  same problems.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A =

  =
href=3D"news:413c6cb7$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c6cb7$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Not true at all.&nbsp; It only requires the sender domain to publish a =
record=20
  and<BR>recipient to implement it.&nbsp; The recipient cares about no =
other=20
  senders or even<BR>if the sender implements the =
checks.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Look no further than mike miller for an example of it working=20
  without<BR>everyone using =
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