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Skriven 2005-07-11 19:08:36 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 5894 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Unleash Sasser worm - infect 1 million - get 30 hours community ser
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   Having your wife and family killed probably means less to many people =
than having their own computer infected with a worm created with eeye's =
guidance and having to reinstall.  It may seem heartless but then you = don't
value these people and what matters to them so you can't expect = them to value
you and what matters to you.

Rich

  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d3079e@w3.nls.net...
  eeye gives microsoft poc code in order to not have to deal with the =
"we couldn't reproduce it" bullshit. They no longer make that code = public but
they do provide it to the software vendor along with the full = writeup.

  As for worms, when was the last time you heard of a worm killing =
someone's wife and children? Hell when was the last time you heard of a = worm
even killing someone's computer?

  Geo.
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d0b99f@w3.nls.net...
       eeye does not give Microsoft code.  What ever gave you that silly =
idea?  Is eeye giving code in addition to detailed instructions to the = people
that write the exploits and harming the public?  I would think = that doing so
would change them from just being irresponsible and having = no regard for
anyone's well being but their own to being criminal?  = While that would be
worse, eeye is irreponsible enough by their putting = everyone in danger for
their own financial gain and the instructions = they provide to attackers
sufficient to guide them in their tasks.

       The problem with causing people harm like with a worm is that it =
is causing people harm.  If someone came to your home and killed your = wife
and children would you assert that there is no harm in doing this = because it
encourages you and your neighbors to better protect = themselves and their
homes?  You could also excuse eeye for providing = the instructions how to
enter your home and kill your family.  How = stupid can you be? =20

    Rich

      "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d0b379$1@w3.nls.net...
      What I really meant to say is that for the 188 days after eeye =
handed microsoft code that gave full remote anonymous access to a = machine and
the time MS issued a patch, MS had full access to every = windows computer on
the internet.

      I wonder if that's why it took so long to get a patch?

      As to your no favor comment, what's the problem with a worm? How =
is that worm using your resources to spread any different than adware = using
your resources to report your activities to marketers so that they = can use
your resources to stuff ads in your face?

      Geo.
        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d0b071$1@w3.nls.net...
           What you meant to say, at least what you would have meant if =
you wanted to be honest, is that this is a worm created from detailed =
instructions widely distributed by eeye as part of its normal public =
relations and as typical without regard for anyone or anything except = the
financial gain of eeye.   Do you think the eeye people are so blind =
as to not forsee the response to their irresponsible behavior?

           This kid did no one a favor nor did eeye.

        Rich

          "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d0ab27@w3.nls.net...
          "Richard B." <TDNBW@barktopus.com> wrote in message
          news:t0i0d15cgmcu9m3bm3ubfjb36nu8sd5hso@4ax.com...

          > What bullshit.  Of course this is what breeds more of his =
ilk.

          Excuse me but this kid did the world a huge favor.

          The sasser worm exploits the LSASS vuln discovered by eeye, =
this is a major


          Geo.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Having your wife and =
family killed=20
probably means less to many people than having their own computer = infected
with=20
a worm created with eeye's guidance and having to reinstall.&nbsp; It = may
seem=20
heartless but then you don't value these people and what matters to them = so
you=20
can't expect them to value you and what matters to you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42d3079e@w3.nls.net">news:42d3079e@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>eeye gives microsoft poc code in =
order to not=20
  have to deal with the "we couldn't reproduce it" bullshit. They no =
longer make=20
  that code public but they do provide it to the software vendor along =
with the=20
  full writeup.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for worms, when was the last time =
you heard of=20
  a worm killing someone's wife and children? Hell when was the last =
time you=20
  heard of a worm even killing someone's computer?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:42d0b99f@w3.nls.net">news:42d0b99f@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; eeye does not give =
Microsoft=20
    code.&nbsp; What ever gave you that silly idea?&nbsp; Is eeye giving =
code in=20
    addition to detailed instructions to the people that write the =
exploits and=20
    harming the public?&nbsp; I would think that doing so would change =
them from=20
    just being irresponsible and having no regard for anyone's well =
being but=20
    their own to being criminal?&nbsp; While that would be worse, eeye =
is=20
    irreponsible enough by their putting everyone in danger for their =
own=20
    financial gain and the instructions they provide to attackers =
sufficient to=20
    guide them in their tasks.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; The problem with =
causing people=20
    harm like with a worm is that it is causing people harm.&nbsp; If =
someone=20
    came to your home and killed your wife and children would you assert =
that=20
    there is no harm in doing this because it encourages you and your =
neighbors=20
    to better protect themselves and their homes?&nbsp; You could also =
excuse=20
    eeye for providing the instructions how to enter your home and kill =
your=20
    family.&nbsp; How stupid can you be?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
      wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:42d0b379$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d0b379$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What I really meant to say is =
that for the=20
      188 days after eeye handed microsoft code that gave full remote =
anonymous=20
      access to a machine and the time MS issued a patch, MS had full =
access to=20
      every windows computer on the internet.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wonder if that's why it took so =
long to get=20
      a patch?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As to your no favor comment, =
what's the=20
      problem with a worm? How is that worm using your resources to =
spread any=20
      different than adware using your resources to report your =
activities to=20
      marketers so that they can use your resources to stuff ads in your =

      face?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:42d0b071$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d0b071$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; What you meant to =
say, at=20
        least what you would have meant if you wanted to be honest, is =
that this=20
        is a worm created from detailed instructions widely distributed =
by eeye=20
        as part of its normal public relations and as typical without =
regard for=20
        anyone or anything except the financial gain of =
eeye.&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you=20
        think the eeye people are so blind as to not forsee the response =
to=20
        their irresponsible behavior?</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; This kid did no =
one a favor=20
        nor did eeye.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE=20
        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
          href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
          <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:42d0ab27@w3.nls.net">news:42d0ab27@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>"R=
ichard=20
          B." &lt;<A=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:TDNBW@barktopus.com">TDNBW@barktopus.com</A>&gt; wrote in =

          message<BR><A=20
          =
href=3D"news:t0i0d15cgmcu9m3bm3ubfjb36nu8sd5hso@4ax.com">news:t0i0d15cgmc=
u9m3bm3ubfjb36nu8sd5hso@4ax.com</A>...<BR><BR>&gt;=20
          What bullshit.&nbsp; Of course this is what breeds more of his =

          ilk.<BR><BR>Excuse me but this kid did the world a huge=20
          favor.<BR><BR>The sasser worm exploits the LSASS vuln =
discovered by=20
          eeye, this is a=20
    =
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