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Give me example of a Microsoft pr, say a page on www.microsoft.com, =
that provides the information needed for someone to create malware like = eeye
does.
By interesting I mean intelectually interesting. As for =
understanding, I think you confuse disagreement with and understanding = of.
It's a common flaw.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d51209$2@w3.nls.net...
I don't have a problem with their self-serving irresponsible pr any =
more than I do with microsofts irresponsible self-serving pr, that's a = hangup
that seems to be unique to you.
As for interesting, you appear to be a programmer not a hacker so why =
would you find anything to do with hacking interesting? You've proven = several
times that you don't even understand the hacker mindset.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d4bd97@w3.nls.net...
You clearly buy into their self-serving irresponsible pr more =
than I do. I was a bit surprised when you stated a few messages back = that
they steal the ideas for the vulnerabilities from others and take = credit for
themselves. While they do not do much interesting, I had at = least though it
was their own. you actually lowered my opinion of them = even further.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d47f65$1@w3.nls.net...
Oh give me a break, these guys single handedly destroyed NT's =
security reputation.
Hell they were the reason for the "information anarchy" program to =
silence the security lists.
Geo.=20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d36801$1@w3.nls.net...
An extraordinary one. I suspect there isn't a significant =
difference between what they could do and what you could do taking = advantage
of published information. The only thing remarkable about = these folks is
that they publish press releases putting the public at = risk to promote
themselves for financial gain.
Rich
"John Beckett" <FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> wrote in =
message news:rcl6d1hegtubg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com...
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:<42d3503e$1@w3.nls.net>:
> You should remember that this is true only in george's =
imagination.
Perhaps the 95% is an exaggeration. But there have been many =
examples (I
think starting with the IIS debacles) that show that eeye =
could have owned
an extremely large number of computers if Microsoft had not =
changed its
"release when it's good enough" attitude.
John
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> By interesting I mean =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't have a problem with their =
self-serving=20
irresponsible pr any more than I do with microsofts irresponsible =
self-serving=20
pr, that's a hangup that seems to be unique to you.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for interesting, you appear to be =
a programmer=20
not a hacker so why would you find anything to do with hacking =
interesting?=20
You've proven several times that you don't even understand the hacker=20
mindset.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You clearly buy =
into their=20
self-serving irresponsible pr more than I do. I was a bit =
surprised=20
when you stated a few messages back that they steal the ideas for =
the=20
vulnerabilities from others and take credit for themselves. =
While they=20
do not do much interesting, I had at least though it was their =
own. =20
you actually lowered my opinion of them even further.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Oh give me a break, these guys =
single=20
handedly destroyed NT's security reputation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hell they were the reason for the =
"information anarchy" program to silence the security=20
lists.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> An extraordinary =
one. I=20
suspect there isn't a significant difference between what they =
could do=20
and what you could do taking advantage of published=20
information. The only thing remarkable about these folks =
is that=20
they publish press releases putting the public at risk to =
promote=20
themselves for financial gain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"John Beckett" <<A=20
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puserve.com.omit</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:rcl6d1hegtubg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com">news:rcl6d1hegtu=
bg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>"Rich"=20
<@> wrote in message <A=20
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t;:<BR>> =20
You should remember that this is true only in george's=20
imagination.<BR><BR>Perhaps the 95% is an exaggeration. But =
there have=20
been many examples (I<BR>think starting with the IIS debacles) =
that=20
show that eeye could have owned<BR>an extremely large number =
of=20
computers if Microsoft had not changed its<BR>"release when =
it's good=20
enough"=20
=
attitude.<BR><BR>John<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQU=
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