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Skriven 2005-07-14 21:20:42 av Geo (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6036 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: eeye's irresponsible self-serving behavior
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>

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that doesn't even make sense.

Geo.
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d6d91d@w3.nls.net...
     Are you saying to have specific knowledge on the basis of which you =
made your claim?  If not, then you have no clue and are simply making = things
up.

  Rich

    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d6c031@w3.nls.net...
    I didn't say I have no clue, I said to prove it I would have to =
convince them to do it.

    Geo.
      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d69d63@w3.nls.net...
         Again, it is your claim.  If you have no clue then why did you =
make your bogus claim?  Why do you continue to do so?

      Rich

        "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d690e2@w3.nls.net...
        They only way to prove that would be to get eeye to release a =
virus for each of the as yet unpatched exploits they list on their =
unpublished list. I think it's pretty unlikely I could convince them to = do
that. However once the patches are released and Microsoft admits that = these
are remote anonymous root exploits that should be sufficient proof = for anyone
but you.
          "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d5ef53@w3.nls.net...
             You made a claim that 95% of computers are vulnerable to =
the point that eeye could own them.  Unless you are ready to admit that = you
were bullshitting you would be able to tell us to which I am = vulnerable.  In
fact given your claimed expertise I expect you to say = exactly which and how. 
I don't think you can because you were = bullshitting.  I don't expect you to
admit it.

          Rich

            "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d5ec90@w3.nls.net...
            Well then you would only be vulnerable to some of these for =
which there are no patches yet =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html

            Which ones would depend on what you have installed.

            Geo.
              "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d5449b$1@w3.nls.net...
                 Assume I am running Windows XP SP2 and Windows Server =
2003 SP1 with updates from Windows Update.

                 Kaiser is not 95% of computers and from what Ellen says =
virtually none of their machines have Internet access.

              Rich

                "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d51209@w3.nls.net...
                You don't really think all I know about eeye is from =
their website do you?

                As for your specific machines it's hard to say as I =
don't know what you run on them, but I do know all the thousands of = desktop
machines at Kaiser are susceptable to them. Surely Kaiser = numbers make you
irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion?

                Geo.
                  "Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:42d4bcad$1@w3.nls.net...
                     What do you think you can decide from their public =
relations pages?  Tell me, how many of my machines are affected by each = of
their claims?

                     you need to get over your idol worship and pay =
attention to the damage they cause with their irresponsible self-serving =
behavior.

                  Rich

                    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d47e2c@w3.nls.net...
                    =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html

                    those are published and patched

                    =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html

                    those are unpublished and as yet unpatched

                    Read it and decide for yourself.

                    Geo.




                    "John Beckett" =
<FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> wrote in message
                    news:rcl6d1hegtubg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com...
                    > "Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:<42d3503e$1@w3.nls.net>:
                    > >    You should remember that this is true only in =
george's imagination.
                    >
                    > Perhaps the 95% is an exaggeration. But there have =
been many examples (I
                    > think starting with the IIS debacles) that show =
that eeye could have owned
                    > an extremely large number of computers if =
Microsoft had not changed its
                    > "release when it's good enough" attitude.
                    >
                    > John
                    >


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that doesn't even make =
sense.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42d6d91d@w3.nls.net">news:42d6d91d@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you saying to have =
specific=20
  knowledge on the basis of which you made your claim?&nbsp; If not, =
then you=20
  have no clue and are simply making things up.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:42d6c031@w3.nls.net">news:42d6c031@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I didn't say I have no clue, I said =
to prove it=20
    I would have to convince them to do it.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:42d69d63@w3.nls.net">news:42d69d63@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Again, it is your =
claim.&nbsp;=20
      If you have no clue then why did you make your bogus claim?&nbsp; =
Why do=20
      you continue to do so?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
        wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:42d690e2@w3.nls.net">news:42d690e2@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They only way to prove that =
would be to get=20
        eeye to release a virus for each of the as yet unpatched =
exploits they=20
        list on their unpublished list. I think it's pretty unlikely I =
could=20
        convince them to do that. However once the patches are released =
and=20
        Microsoft admits that these are remote anonymous root exploits =
that=20
        should be sufficient proof for anyone but you.</FONT></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:42d5ef53@w3.nls.net">news:42d5ef53@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You made a claim =
that 95% of=20
          computers are vulnerable to the point that eeye could own =
them.&nbsp;=20
          Unless you are ready to admit that you were bullshitting you =
would be=20
          able to tell us to which I am vulnerable.&nbsp; In fact given =
your=20
          claimed expertise I expect you to say exactly which and =
how.&nbsp; I=20
          don't think you can because you were bullshitting.&nbsp; I =
don't=20
          expect you to admit it.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
          style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
            <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
            href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
            message <A=20
            =
href=3D"news:42d5ec90@w3.nls.net">news:42d5ec90@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well then you would only be =
vulnerable=20
            to some of these for which there are no patches yet <A=20
            =
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html">http://www=
.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Which ones would depend on =
what you=20
            have installed.</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
            <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
            style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
              <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
              =
href=3D"news:42d5449b$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d5449b$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Assume I am =
running=20
              Windows XP SP2 and Windows Server 2003 SP1 with updates =
from=20
              Windows Update.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Kaiser is =
not 95% of=20
              computers and from what Ellen says virtually none of their =

              machines have Internet access.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
                <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
                href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
                message <A=20
                =
href=3D"news:42d51209@w3.nls.net">news:42d51209@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You don't really think =
all I know=20
                about eeye is from their website do you?</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for your specific =
machines it's=20
                hard to say as I don't know what you run on them, but I =
do know=20
                all the thousands of desktop machines at Kaiser are =
susceptable=20
                to them. Surely Kaiser numbers make you irrelevant for =
the=20
                purposes of this discussion?</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
                <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
                style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
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                  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
                  =
href=3D"news:42d4bcad$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d4bcad$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; What do =
you think=20
                  you can decide from their public relations =
pages?&nbsp; Tell=20
                  me, how many of my machines are affected by each of =
their=20
                  claims?</FONT></DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; you need =
to get over=20
                  your idol worship and pay attention to the damage they =
cause=20
                  with their irresponsible self-serving =
behavior.</FONT></DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
                  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
                    <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
                    =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
                    in message <A=20
                    =
href=3D"news:42d47e2c@w3.nls.net">news:42d47e2c@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV><A=
=20
                    =
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html">http://w=
ww.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/index.html</A><BR><BR>those=20
                    are published and patched<BR><BR><A=20
                    =
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html">http://www=
.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html</A><BR><BR>those=20
                    are unpublished and as yet unpatched<BR><BR>Read it =
and=20
                    decide for =
yourself.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"John=20
                    Beckett" &lt;<A=20
                    =
href=3D"mailto:FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit">FirstnameSurname@com=
puserve.com.omit</A>&gt;=20
                    wrote in message<BR><A=20
                    =
href=3D"news:rcl6d1hegtubg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com">news:rcl6d1hegtu=
bg74l7fc4t8e0haom1kvkrc@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;=20
                    "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
                    =
href=3D"news:<42d3503e$1@w3.nls.net">news:&lt;42d3503e$1@w3.nls.net</A>&g=
t;:<BR>&gt;=20
                    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You should remember that this =
is true=20
                    only in george's imagination.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
Perhaps the=20
                    95% is an exaggeration. But there have been many =
examples=20
                    (I<BR>&gt; think starting with the IIS debacles) =
that show=20
                    that eeye could have owned<BR>&gt; an extremely =
large number=20
                    of computers if Microsoft had not changed =
its<BR>&gt;=20
                    "release when it's good enough" =
attitude.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
                    =
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