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Ärende: Re: eeye's irresponsible self-serving behavior
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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You're the one who's confused, that's not what he was saying.
Geo.
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d81ea2@w3.nls.net...
     Randy.
  Rich
    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d81cce@w3.nls.net...
    heh, who's confused?
    Geo.
      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d73362@w3.nls.net...
         You are confused.  SO does not require someone to provide =
instructions on how to commit a crime as eeye does in provding = instructions
on how to malware.
      Rich
      . =20
        "Randy" <dev@null.org> wrote in message =
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        Why do you think Sarbanes-Oxley was passed?=20
          "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
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          the guys at eeye believe making exploits public knowledge =
lowers the value thus the cost that security companies can charge = customers
for that knowledge.
          Geo.
            "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d6d8ee$1@w3.nls.net...
               No.  I consider this irresponsible.   For all we know =
folks at eeye do too but greed trumps responsibility.
            Rich
              "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d6befe@w3.nls.net...
              So you consider this responsible behavior?
              Geo.
                "Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:42d6a0c1$1@w3.nls.net...
                   Where do you get this taboo nonsense?  Look at =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615A.html and =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615B.html.  These = are
among the simplest but by far not the only.  eeye appears to try to = provide
instructions to exploit in all of these.  If you are going to be = in denial
about this behavior of theirs then no wonder you are in denial = about the
damage they cause.
                Rich
                  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d696e9$1@w3.nls.net...
                  But instead he want's evidence that the exploits eeye =
has discovered over
                  the past year or so are dangerous, and since exploit =
code is now taboo that
                  becomes quite difficult to prove doesn't it?
                  Geo.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're the one who's confused, that's =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>   Randy.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>heh, who's confused?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>   You are =
confused.  SO does=20
      not require someone to provide instructions on how to commit a =
crime as=20
      eeye does in provding instructions on how to malware.</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>.  </FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV>"Randy" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:dev@null.org">dev@null.org</A>>=20
        wrote in message <A=20
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        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Why do you think Sarbanes-Oxley was passed?=20
        </FONT></DIV>
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          <DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
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          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the guys at eeye believe =
making exploits=20
          public knowledge lowers the value thus the cost that security=20
          companies can charge customers for that =
knowledge.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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            <DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>   No.  I =
consider this=20
            irresponsible.   For all we know folks at eeye do =
too but=20
            greed trumps responsibility.</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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              <DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
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              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So you consider this =
responsible=20
              behavior?</FONT></DIV>
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              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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                <DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>   Where do =
you get this=20
                taboo nonsense?  Look at <A=20
                =
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615A.html">ht=
tp://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615A.html</A>=20
                and <A=20
                =
href=3D"http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615B.html">ht=
tp://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615B.html</A>. =20
                These are among the simplest but by far not the =
only.  eeye=20
                appears to try to provide instructions to exploit in all =
of=20
                these.  If you are going to be in denial about this =
                behavior of theirs then no wonder you are in denial =
about the=20
                damage they cause.</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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                  <DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
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V><BR><BR>But=20
                  instead he want's evidence that the exploits eeye has=20
                  discovered over<BR>the past year or so are dangerous, =
and=20
                  since exploit code is now taboo that<BR>becomes quite=20
                  difficult to prove doesn't=20
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