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Skriven 2005-07-25 12:03:00 av Gary Britt (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6326 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS Antispyware uses VB6 runtime?
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From: "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com>

Its a disease that can afflict many managers, not just IT ones.  Then when you
add in the French complexities that not only was it not their idea but it
wasn't even a Frenchman's idea.  Whoa....

Gary

"Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:42e5056c@w3.nls.net...
> Yep, but a lot of IT guys are like that, not necessarily just French -- I
> never have figured out that mindset.
>
> - Bob Comer
>
>
> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
> news:42e503f0$1@w3.nls.net...
> > <g>   Then they really suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome in
> > more
> > than just the usual ways.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:42e4fcd6@w3.nls.net...
> >> I don't know about that, but it is definitely worth a shot. I've tried
to
> >> help corporate before with it and they are definitely stubborn about
such
> >> things.
> >>
> >> - Bob Comer <They're French...>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
> >> news:42e4f9dc@w3.nls.net...
> >> > Might just make you a hero at work!! <g>
> >> >
> >> > Gary
> >> >
> >> > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:42e46b74$1@w3.nls.net...
> >> >> > Try a program called TameDos that will help tremendously with your
> >> > clipper
> >> >> > dos app stuff on any version of windows.  www.tamedos.com
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks, I'll look at that.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Bob Comer
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:42e4520f$1@w3.nls.net...
> >> >> > Try a program called TameDos that will help tremendously with your
> >> > clipper
> >> >> > dos app stuff on any version of windows.  www.tamedos.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A new version 5 is due out soon.  Will be a free upgrade if you
buy
> >> >> > now.
> >> >> > You can try it 30 days for free.  Should solve your problems.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Gary
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:42e44541$1@w3.nls.net...
> >> >> >> > There are way too many applications out there written in VB6
for
> >> >> >> > them
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > make it impossible to run VB6 apps,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> All I can say is they made a dreadful decision in not having a
> >> >> >> clear
> >> >> > upgrade
> >> >> >> path, it's the first development tools/language vendor I've ever
> > known
> >> > to
> >> >> > do
> >> >> >> that, and there's probably more VB6 coders out there right now
than
> >> >> >> any
> >> >> >> other language.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It just doesn't make business sense to trust that VB6 stuff will
> > keep
> >> >> >> running.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >heck, it's still possible to run DOS
> >> >> >> > apps.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Our parent company is having serious problems keeping their DOS
> >> >> >> clipper
> >> >> > app
> >> >> >> running on XP, memory issues that weren't there before...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >And .Net has "COM Interop".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That doesn't help upgrading VB6 code all that much. (That help in
> >> > calling
> >> >> >> old COM components from vb.net)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - Bob Comer
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:7oe8e15569eq6ortjohk7aaenqkmb6dg6g@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> > There are way too many applications out there written in VB6
for
> >> >> >> > them
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > make it impossible to run VB6 apps, heck, it's still possible
to
> > run
> >> >> >> > DOS
> >> >> >> > apps.  And .Net has "COM Interop".
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:12:30 -0400, "Robert Comer"
> >> >> >> > <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > <42e3f4f7$1@w3.nls.net>:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>> I'm not saying use the upgrade wizard rather than rewrite,
I'm
> >> > saying
> >> >> >> >>> leave it in VB6.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>As I've said before, there's no guarantee the VB6 development
> >> >> > environment
> >> >> >> >>will continue to function *now*, much less in the future.
(sure,
> > you
> >> >> >> >>can
> >> >> >> >>get
> >> >> >> >>paid for support if it breaks, but it's not cheap)  And as
anyone
> >> > knows
> >> >> >> >>with
> >> >> >> >>corporate environments, you need to be able to fix this as
> > business
> >> >> > rules
> >> >> >> >>change, or there are bugs discovered.  And past longhorn,
there's
> > no
> >> >> >> >>guarantee the VB6 runtime will function ever. (and only a
> >> >> >> >>nebulous
> >> >> >> >>guarantee
> >> >> >> >>it'll be supported in longhorn)
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>To sum it up, it's to high a risk *not* to rewrite it.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>- Bob Comer
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>news:urs7e11kqsqbusrpem0uom8osd2vm0nqgb@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>> I'm not saying use the upgrade wizard rather than rewrite,
I'm
> >> > saying
> >> >> >> >>> leave it in VB6.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:02:08 -0400, "Robert Comer"
> >> >> >> >>> <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > <42e3901a@w3.nls.net>:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>I don't think you have to rewrite your old stuff.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>If you want it to run well you do.  The changes between VB6
and
> >> >> >> >>>>VB.NET
> >> >> >> >>>>is
> >> >> >> >>>>massive.  Running it through the VB.NET upgrade wizard does
not
> >> >> >> >>>>get
> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> >>>>a
> >> >> >> >>>>working program if the program is any more advanced than a
> > "Hello
> >> >> > world"
> >> >> >> >>>>type.  Sure, given a lot of time you can fix the differences,
> > but
> >> >> >> >>>>that
> >> >> >> >>>>same
> >> >> >> >>>>amount of time can most likely be taken to do a rewrite using
> > all
> >> > the
> >> >> >> >>>>new
> >> >> >> >>>>stuff (or a different language altogether.)
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>- Bob Comer
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:din6e1hna3158pa89es1380tal3lkvt7bd@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>>>>I don't think you have to rewrite your old stuff.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:54:36 -0400, "Robert Comer"
> >> >> >> >>>>> <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > <42e22095$1@w3.nls.net>:
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> If the spyware product they acquired was not based on
> > VB.NET,
> >> > how
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> can
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> they
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> be asking why MS is not using VB.NET? Did they expect MS
to
> >> >> > rewrite
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> it?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Actually yes, everyone should expect them to rewrite it,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>after
> >> > all,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Microsoft told all those millions of VB6 developers out
there
> >> > that
> >> >> >> >>>>>>they
> >> >> >> >>>>>>had
> >> >> >> >>>>>>to rewrite their apps by deadending VB6 like they did.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>Did VB.NET even exist when the product development began?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>It didn't exist when all our VB5/VB6 code was written, but
so
> >> > what,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>that
> >> >> >> >>>>>>doesn't mean that I don't have to rewrite everything to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>insure
> >> >> >> >>>>>>it
> >> >> >> >>>>>>keeps
> >> >> >> >>>>>>working in the future.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>- Bob Comer
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>"Gregg N" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>>news:42e1bdf1$1@w3.nls.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Rich Gauszka wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>Microsoft acquired Giant, the company that produced the
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>Spyware
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>detection
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>program, in December 2004, and lost no time in making it
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>available
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>users the following month.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>"This whole issue begs the question," writes our reader,
> > "why
> >> > is
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>Microsoft
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>using an unsupported development environment against
their
> > own
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>guidelines?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>Just another case of' 'Do what I say, not what I do'...
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> If the spyware product they acquired was not based on
> > VB.NET,
> >> > how
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> can
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> they
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> be asking why MS is not using VB.NET? Did they expect MS
to
> >> >> > rewrite
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> it?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Did VB.NET even exist when the product development began?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Gregg
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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