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Skriven 2005-07-27 07:25:54 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6346 av Ellen K (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS Antispyware uses VB6 runtime?
============================================
From: "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com>

Well, VB6 stuff is going to end up like that too...

- Bob Comer


"Ellen K" <Ellen.K@harborwebs.com> wrote in message
news:d08dea.fa8339@harborwebs.com...
> Our old Clipper app is the main reason we still have a lot of folks on
> Win98.
>
>> From: "Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme@mindspring.com>
>> I don't know about that, but it is definitely worth a shot. I've tried to
>> help corporate before with it and they are definitely stubborn about such
>> things.
>> - Bob Comer <They're French...>
>> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>> news:42e4f9dc@w3.nls.net...
>>> Might just make you a hero at work!! <g>
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42e46b74$1@w3.nls.net...
>>>> > Try a program called TameDos that will help tremendously with your
>>> clipper
>>>> > dos app stuff on any version of windows.  www.tamedos.com
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I'll look at that.
>>>>
>>>> - Bob Comer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:42e4520f$1@w3.nls.net...
>>>> > Try a program called TameDos that will help tremendously with your
>>> clipper
>>>> > dos app stuff on any version of windows.  www.tamedos.com
>>>> >
>>>> > A new version 5 is due out soon.  Will be a free upgrade if you buy
>>>> > now.
>>>> > You can try it 30 days for free.  Should solve your problems.
>>>> >
>>>> > Gary
>>>> >
>>>> > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:42e44541$1@w3.nls.net...
>>>> >> > There are way too many applications out there written in VB6 for
>>>> >> > them
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > make it impossible to run VB6 apps,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> All I can say is they made a dreadful decision in not having a clear
>>>> > upgrade
>>>> >> path, it's the first development tools/language vendor I've ever
>>>> >> known
>>> to
>>>> > do
>>>> >> that, and there's probably more VB6 coders out there right now than
>>>> >> any
>>>> >> other language.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It just doesn't make business sense to trust that VB6 stuff will
>>>> >> keep
>>>> >> running.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >heck, it's still possible to run DOS
>>>> >> > apps.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Our parent company is having serious problems keeping their DOS
>>>> >> clipper
>>>> > app
>>>> >> running on XP, memory issues that weren't there before...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >And .Net has "COM Interop".
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That doesn't help upgrading VB6 code all that much. (That help in
>>> calling
>>>> >> old COM components from vb.net)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - Bob Comer
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:7oe8e15569eq6ortjohk7aaenqkmb6dg6g@4ax.com...
>>>> >> > There are way too many applications out there written in VB6 for
>>>> >> > them
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > make it impossible to run VB6 apps, heck, it's still possible to
>>>> >> > run
>>>> >> > DOS
>>>> >> > apps.  And .Net has "COM Interop".
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:12:30 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>>>> >> > <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> > <42e3f4f7$1@w3.nls.net>:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>> I'm not saying use the upgrade wizard rather than rewrite, I'm
>>> saying
>>>> >> >>> leave it in VB6.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>As I've said before, there's no guarantee the VB6 development
>>>> > environment
>>>> >> >>will continue to function *now*, much less in the future. (sure,
>>>> >> >>you
>>>> >> >>can
>>>> >> >>get
>>>> >> >>paid for support if it breaks, but it's not cheap)  And as anyone
>>> knows
>>>> >> >>with
>>>> >> >>corporate environments, you need to be able to fix this as
>>>> >> >>business
>>>> > rules
>>>> >> >>change, or there are bugs discovered.  And past longhorn, there's
>>>> >> >>no
>>>> >> >>guarantee the VB6 runtime will function ever. (and only a nebulous
>>>> >> >>guarantee
>>>> >> >>it'll be supported in longhorn)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>To sum it up, it's to high a risk *not* to rewrite it.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>- Bob Comer
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>news:urs7e11kqsqbusrpem0uom8osd2vm0nqgb@4ax.com...
>>>> >> >>> I'm not saying use the upgrade wizard rather than rewrite, I'm
>>> saying
>>>> >> >>> leave it in VB6.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:02:08 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>>>> >> >>> <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>> <42e3901a@w3.nls.net>:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>>>I don't think you have to rewrite your old stuff.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>If you want it to run well you do.  The changes between VB6 and
>>>> >> >>>>VB.NET
>>>> >> >>>>is
>>>> >> >>>>massive.  Running it through the VB.NET upgrade wizard does not
>>>> >> >>>>get
>>>> > you
>>>> >> >>>>a
>>>> >> >>>>working program if the program is any more advanced than a
>>>> >> >>>>"Hello
>>>> > world"
>>>> >> >>>>type.  Sure, given a lot of time you can fix the differences,
>>>> >> >>>>but
>>>> >> >>>>that
>>>> >> >>>>same
>>>> >> >>>>amount of time can most likely be taken to do a rewrite using
>>>> >> >>>>all
>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>new
>>>> >> >>>>stuff (or a different language altogether.)
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>- Bob Comer
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>>>news:din6e1hna3158pa89es1380tal3lkvt7bd@4ax.com...
>>>> >> >>>>>I don't think you have to rewrite your old stuff.
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:54:36 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>>>> >> >>>>> <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> <42e22095$1@w3.nls.net>:
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> If the spyware product they acquired was not based on
>>>> >> >>>>>>> VB.NET,
>>> how
>>>> >> >>>>>>> can
>>>> >> >>>>>>> they
>>>> >> >>>>>>> be asking why MS is not using VB.NET? Did they expect MS to
>>>> > rewrite
>>>> >> >>>>>>> it?
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>Actually yes, everyone should expect them to rewrite it, after
>>> all,
>>>> >> >>>>>>Microsoft told all those millions of VB6 developers out there
>>> that
>>>> >> >>>>>>they
>>>> >> >>>>>>had
>>>> >> >>>>>>to rewrite their apps by deadending VB6 like they did.
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>Did VB.NET even exist when the product development began?
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>It didn't exist when all our VB5/VB6 code was written, but so
>>> what,
>>>> >> >>>>>>that
>>>> >> >>>>>>doesn't mean that I don't have to rewrite everything to insure
>>>> >> >>>>>>it
>>>> >> >>>>>>keeps
>>>> >> >>>>>>working in the future.
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>- Bob Comer
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>"Gregg N" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>>>>>news:42e1bdf1$1@w3.nls.net...
>>>> >> >>>>>>> Rich Gauszka wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>Microsoft acquired Giant, the company that produced the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>Spyware
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>detection
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>program, in December 2004, and lost no time in making it
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>available
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>users the following month.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>"This whole issue begs the question," writes our reader,
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>"why
>>> is
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>Microsoft
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>using an unsupported development environment against their
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>own
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>guidelines?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>Just another case of' 'Do what I say, not what I do'...
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> If the spyware product they acquired was not based on
>>>> >> >>>>>>> VB.NET,
>>> how
>>>> >> >>>>>>> can
>>>> >> >>>>>>> they
>>>> >> >>>>>>> be asking why MS is not using VB.NET? Did they expect MS to
>>>> > rewrite
>>>> >> >>>>>>> it?
>>>> >> >>>>>>> Did VB.NET even exist when the product development began?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> Gregg
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

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