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Text 6739, 175 rader
Skriven 2005-08-26 22:14:14 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6737 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Hurrah Intel gets in on the low power game
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   VT is virtualization.  LT is security.  Neither is what george likes =
to call DRM.  What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart = card
like functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) provided = by a TPM
chip.

Rich

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message =
news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net...
  Yep, it looks like it's coming, probably not anything we can do about =
it=20
  either -- it's for the masses to decide about.

  For now, no DRM media stuff for me at all, I refuse to use it.  I =
don't do=20
  any media other than broadcast TV on my PC.  I'll probably get a new=20
  processor soon, with VT, dual or quad core, and yes, DRM, but that =
doesn't=20
  mean I have to allow the DRM part to make any difference to what I =
want to=20
  do.

  Eventually there will probably be some computer/OS company that will =
emerge=20
  to satisfy our computing needs, but for entertainment, we're screwed =
until=20
  everyone else catches up and they revolt.

  - Bob Comer



  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net...
  > All this DRM crap is nothing but a power grab so that technology =
companies
  > can enforce more restrictions on how we use technology in order to =
extort
  > more money for the same shit.
  >
  > Once it becomes possible to prevent you from upgrading your OS =
without
  > upgrading your computer, or to prevent you from upgrading your =
computer
  > without upgrading your OS, do you really think Intel or MS will be =
able to
  > resist the temptation? Do you think a computer sold with windows =
should
  > allow the user to remove windows and install Linux cause I somehow =
think
  > that's the kind of limitations we are headed for.
  >
  > Intel is going to have to include that type of tech to make Apple =
happy,
  > especially in light of the recent news that OSX was running on non =
Apple
  > PC's already...
  >
  > Geo.
  >
  > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
  > news:430eed74@w3.nls.net...
  >> I don't know if any do yet, but they agreed to do drm hardware for
  > palladium
  >> just like intel did.
  >>
  >> - Bob Comer
  >
  >=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; VT is =
virtualization.&nbsp; LT is=20
security.&nbsp; Neither is what george likes to call DRM.&nbsp; What he = tries
to=20
spin as something sinister is the smart card like functionality (e.g. =
secure=20
storage, hardware crypto) provided by a TPM chip.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Robert Comer" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net">news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>Yep,=20
  it looks like it's coming, probably not anything we can do about it =
<BR>either=20
  -- it's for the masses to decide about.<BR><BR>For now, no DRM media =
stuff for=20
  me at all, I refuse to use it.&nbsp; I don't do <BR>any media other =
than=20
  broadcast TV on my PC.&nbsp; I'll probably get a new <BR>processor =
soon, with=20
  VT, dual or quad core, and yes, DRM, but that doesn't <BR>mean I have =
to allow=20
  the DRM part to make any difference to what I want to=20
  <BR>do.<BR><BR>Eventually there will probably be some computer/OS =
company that=20
  will emerge <BR>to satisfy our computing needs, but for entertainment, =
we're=20
  screwed until <BR>everyone else catches up and they revolt.<BR><BR>- =
Bob=20
  Comer<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net">news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;=20
  All this DRM crap is nothing but a power grab so that technology=20
  companies<BR>&gt; can enforce more restrictions on how we use =
technology in=20
  order to extort<BR>&gt; more money for the same shit.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
Once it=20
  becomes possible to prevent you from upgrading your OS without<BR>&gt; =

  upgrading your computer, or to prevent you from upgrading your=20
  computer<BR>&gt; without upgrading your OS, do you really think Intel =
or MS=20
  will be able to<BR>&gt; resist the temptation? Do you think a computer =
sold=20
  with windows should<BR>&gt; allow the user to remove windows and =
install Linux=20
  cause I somehow think<BR>&gt; that's the kind of limitations we are =
headed=20
  for.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Intel is going to have to include that type of =
tech to=20
  make Apple happy,<BR>&gt; especially in light of the recent news that =
OSX was=20
  running on non Apple<BR>&gt; PC's already...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  Geo.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "Robert Comer" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message<BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:430eed74@w3.nls.net">news:430eed74@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&gt; I=20
  don't know if any do yet, but they agreed to do drm hardware =
for<BR>&gt;=20
  palladium<BR>&gt;&gt; just like intel did.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; - =
Bob=20
  Comer<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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