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Why? I don't see anything worth mentioning. George and mike miller =
have repeatedly claimed that they are unable to see or unwilling to =
acknowledge anything new unless it is something to complain about.
Personally I don't think new features like Network Access Protection =
are the biggest and most important changes. Both are subjective. A = home or
SOHO user isn't likely to care about NAP. There are thousands = of new
features of varying sizes. No one of them is likely to be the = biggest or
most important to the majority of users.
Home users, or for that matter most users, likely will describe =
visual changes as the biggest changes because what you see with your = eyes is
easy to recognize. For that reason I believe most people will = identify UI as
the big change. People like george still make this silly = claim regarding
Windows XP over Windows 2000.
Rich
"Thees Peereboom" <theesp@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:op.s2rntumf2hvhrx@news.barkto.com...
Rich S. must be having a few days off...
- Thees Peereboom
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:40:57 +0100, Geo <georger@nls.net> wrote:
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:43b8197c@w3.nls.net...
>> Off the top of my head:
>>
>> The new security model is the biggest and most important change.
>
> Excuse me? NEW security model? Go read
> =
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+talks+up+Longhorn+Server+security/2100-1016=
_3-5867497.html
> then come back and tell me what this new security model includes. I =
mean
> that is such a stretch they are naming things like autochkdsk? XPsp2 =
=20
> brought
> more security changes than vista. Calling this a NEW security model =
is a
> joke.
>
>> The new UI is only superficially like the old WinXP one, there's =
quite a
> bit
>> of change there too, especially if you have a good enough video =
card to
>> handle it. (And I'm not even talking about the transparent windows, =
=20
>> which
>> don't interest me all that much)
>
> Ok, glass is cool, that was worth years of work..
>
>> And there's a new OE, renamed Windows Mail, that'll hopefully
> differentiate
>> itself from Outlook and to fix some of the worst outstanding bugs =
of OE.
>
> So how long has it been since there was a new version of OE? I mean =
this =20
> is
> something I use all the time and the only significant change I can =20
> remember
> in the past 5 years was the inclusion of "read all as text".
>
>> There's a new driver model that looks promising.
>
> Are there new drivers? Oh wait, perhaps that's what was missing that =
=20
> gave me
> the "it's not ready for prime time" attitude?
>
>> Quicker booting than XP, even though it's got beta debug code in =
it.
>
> I get the feeling you are running out of ideas..
>
>> With everything it's almost on the level of change to NT3.1 or =
Win3.1 to
>> Win95 to me. It's certainly going to break backwards compatibility =
on
> some
>> things...
>
> Ok you finally touched on a significant feature but now comes the =20
> important
> question. Why was this change needed?
>
> Geo.
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Why? I don't see =
anything worth=20
mentioning. George and mike miller have repeatedly claimed =
that they=20
are unable to see or unwilling to acknowledge anything new unless = it
is=20
something to complain about.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Personally I don't think =
new features=20
like Network Access Protection are the biggest and most important =
changes. =20
Both are subjective. A home or SOHO user isn't likely to care = about=20
NAP. There are thousands of new features of varying sizes. = No one
of=20
them is likely to be the biggest or most important to the majority of=20
users.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Home users, or for that =
matter most=20
users, likely will describe visual changes as the biggest changes =
because=20
what you see with your eyes is easy to recognize. For that reason = I=20
believe most people will identify UI as the big change. People = like
george=20
still make this silly claim regarding Windows XP over Windows =
2000.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Thees Peereboom" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:theesp@barkto.com">theesp@barkto.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:op.s2rntumf2hvhrx@news.barkto.com">news:op.s2rntumf2hvhrx@ne=
ws.barkto.com</A>...</DIV>Rich=20
S. must be having a few days off...<BR><BR>- Thees Peereboom<BR><BR>On =
Mon, 02=20
Jan 2006 14:40:57 +0100, Geo <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote:<BR><BR>>=20
"Robert Comer" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>> = wrote
in=20
message<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43b8197c@w3.nls.net">news:43b8197c@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>=
>=20
Off the top of my head:<BR>>><BR>>> The new security model =
is the=20
biggest and most important change.<BR>><BR>> Excuse me? NEW =
security=20
model? Go read<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://news.com.com/Microsoft+talks+up+Longhorn+Server+security/2=
100-1016_3-5867497.html">http://news.com.com/Microsoft+talks+up+Longhorn+=
Server+security/2100-1016_3-5867497.html</A><BR>>=20
then come back and tell me what this new security model =
includes. I=20
mean<BR>> that is such a stretch they are naming things like =
autochkdsk?=20
XPsp2 <BR>> brought<BR>> more security changes than vista. =
Calling=20
this a NEW security model is a<BR>> joke.<BR>><BR>>> The =
new UI is=20
only superficially like the old WinXP one, there's quite a<BR>>=20
bit<BR>>> of change there too, especially if you have a good =
enough=20
video card to<BR>>> handle it. (And I'm not even talking about =
the=20
transparent windows, <BR>>> which<BR>>> don't =
interest me=20
all that much)<BR>><BR>> Ok, glass is cool, that was worth years =
of=20
work..<BR>><BR>>> And there's a new OE, renamed Windows Mail, =
that'll=20
hopefully<BR>> differentiate<BR>>> itself from Outlook and to =
fix=20
some of the worst outstanding bugs of OE.<BR>><BR>> So how long =
has it=20
been since there was a new version of OE? I mean this <BR>>=20
is<BR>> something I use all the time and the only significant =
change I=20
can <BR>> remember<BR>> in the past 5 years was the =
inclusion of=20
"read all as text".<BR>><BR>>> There's a new driver model =
that looks=20
promising.<BR>><BR>> Are there new drivers? Oh wait, perhaps =
that's what=20
was missing that <BR>> gave me<BR>> the "it's not ready =
for prime=20
time" attitude?<BR>><BR>>> Quicker booting than XP, even =
though it's=20
got beta debug code in it.<BR>><BR>> I get the feeling you are =
running=20
out of ideas..<BR>><BR>>> With everything it's almost on the =
level of=20
change to NT3.1 or Win3.1 to<BR>>> Win95 to me. It's =
certainly=20
going to break backwards compatibility on<BR>> some<BR>>>=20
things...<BR>><BR>> Ok you finally touched on a significant =
feature but=20
now comes the <BR>> important<BR>> question. Why was this =
change=20
needed?<BR>><BR>> =
Geo.<BR>><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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