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Skriven 2006-01-15 16:55:32 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 9224 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: New Intel Macs
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Microsoft offers other licenses.  You don't like the one emachines =
chooses.  Get a naked system and FPP if this is what you prefer.

   Remember this started with a discussion of the new macs which like =
existing macs offer you no choice.  You can't buy a mac without the OS = and
you can't install the OS on a non-mac.  Comparing this to the open = market of
PCs and Windows, it's like night and day.

Rich

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43cabe04@w3.nls.net...
  Actually people here are saying that a portion of the customer base =
would be better served without such a restrictive OS license.  You are =
attempting to portray  MS as some sort of innocent bystander in these =
licensing agreements. Yes, MS has a right to mandate these restrictions  = just
as I, as a consumer, have a right to be displeased by them.=20


    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43caa304@w3.nls.net...
       If customers assign value to the choices emachine does not make, =
as the folks here claim to, they would be competing better by better = serving
these customers.  It's all emachines choice.

    Rich

      "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43c9e273$1@w3.nls.net...
      Sure they have a choice. They can choose to compete in the =
commodity PC market  by accepting the MS solution or not.  It's a = business
decision that's more a necessity than a 'choice'. =20

        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43c9d6d0@w3.nls.net...
           Only if you redefine incentive to mean choice.

        Rich

          "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43c95883@w3.nls.net...
          and MS doesn't offer 'incentives' so that eMachines will make =
that choice? =20

          "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43c954da@w3.nls.net...
               It sure is important.  You claimed that replacing the =
computer but keeping the case is the keeping the same computer.  You = really
do need to have a firm basis in reality if you want to make a = point.

               The choice you continue to whine about is one made by =
emachines.  You should be whining to them.  But of course no one expects = you
to.  You will likely continue to whine.

            Rich


              "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:43c933e8$4@w3.nls.net...
              Not incapable, unimportant to my point that tying Windows =
license to the hardware is proof that Microsoft is just as draconian.

              Geo.
                "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43c92b7f@w3.nls.net...
                   "motherboard, case, what's the difference",  Are you =
seriously incapable of distinguishing?

                   If you are unhappy with emachines, whine to =
emachines.

                Rich

                  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:43c8849b$4@w3.nls.net...
                  Motherboard, case, what's the difference, pick which =
you want to call the computer. The point is if I buy software I expect = to be
allowed to run that software on one computer, if my old computer = dies I
expect to be able to replace the hardware and run the same = software on one
computer.=20

                  Change that model, force me to buy new software every =
time I buy a new computer, an suddenly it gets a lot easier to move to =
another platform like Mac or Linux.

                  Geo.
                    "Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:43c7e440@w3.nls.net...
                       I doubt it was tied to that individual =
motherboard or even that type of motherboard.

                       BTW, are we all to be pretending that the case is =
the computer and the motherboard an accessory instead of the reality.

                    Rich


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Microsoft offers other =
licenses.&nbsp;=20
You don't like the one emachines chooses.&nbsp; Get a naked system and = FPP
if=20
this is what you prefer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Remember this started with =
a=20
discussion of the new macs which like existing macs offer you no =
choice.&nbsp;=20
You can't buy a mac without the OS and you can't install the OS on a=20
non-mac.&nbsp; Comparing this to the open market of PCs and Windows, = it's
like=20
night and day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <A =
href=3D"news:43cabe04@w3.nls.net">news:43cabe04@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Actually people here are saying that a portion of =
the=20
  customer base&nbsp;would be better served without such a restrictive =
OS=20
  license.&nbsp; You are attempting to portray&nbsp; MS as some sort of =
innocent=20
  bystander in these licensing agreements. Yes, MS has a right to =
mandate these=20
  restrictions&nbsp; just as I, as a consumer, have a right to be =
displeased by=20
  them. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:43caa304@w3.nls.net">news:43caa304@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; If customers assign =
value to the=20
    choices emachine does not make, as the folks here claim to, they =
would be=20
    competing better by better serving these customers.&nbsp; It's all =
emachines=20
    choice.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
      message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:43c9e273$1@w3.nls.net">news:43c9e273$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sure they have a choice. They can choose to =
compete in=20
      the commodity PC market &nbsp;by accepting the MS solution or=20
      not.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's a business decision that's more a necessity =
than a=20
      'choice'.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:43c9d6d0@w3.nls.net">news:43c9d6d0@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Only if you =
redefine incentive=20
        to mean choice.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>&gt; wrote in =

          message <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:43c95883@w3.nls.net">news:43c95883@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D2>and MS doesn't offer 'incentives' so that =
eMachines=20
          will make that choice?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:43c954da@w3.nls.net">news:43c954da@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; It sure is=20
            important.&nbsp; You claimed that replacing the computer but =
keeping=20
            the case is the keeping the same computer.&nbsp; You really =
do need=20
            to have a firm basis in reality if you want to make a=20
            point.</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
choice&nbsp;you=20
            continue to whine about is one made by&nbsp;emachines.&nbsp; =
You=20
            should be whining to them.&nbsp; But of course no one =
expects you=20
            to.&nbsp; You will likely continue to whine.</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
            style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
              <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
              href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
              message <A=20
              =
href=3D"news:43c933e8$4@w3.nls.net">news:43c933e8$4@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
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              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not incapable, =
unimportant to my=20
              point that tying Windows license to the hardware is proof =
that=20
              Microsoft is just as draconian.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
              <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
                <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
                =
href=3D"news:43c92b7f@w3.nls.net">news:43c92b7f@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
"motherboard, case,=20
                what's the difference",&nbsp; Are you seriously =
incapable of=20
                distinguishing?</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; If you are =
unhappy=20
                with emachines, whine to emachines.</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
                <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
                style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
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                  <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
                  =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in=20
                  message <A=20
                  =
href=3D"news:43c8849b$4@w3.nls.net">news:43c8849b$4@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Motherboard, case, =
what's the=20
                  difference, pick which you want to call the computer. =
The=20
                  point is if I buy software I expect to be allowed to =
run that=20
                  software on one computer, if my old computer dies I =
expect to=20
                  be able to replace the hardware and run the same =
software on=20
                  one computer. </FONT></DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Change that model, =
force me to=20
                  buy new software every time I buy a new computer, an =
suddenly=20
                  it gets a lot easier to move to another platform like =
Mac or=20
                  Linux.</FONT></DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
                  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
                  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
                    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
                    =
href=3D"news:43c7e440@w3.nls.net">news:43c7e440@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
doubt it was=20
                    tied to that individual motherboard or even that =
type of=20
                    motherboard.</FONT></DIV>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, =
are we all to=20
                    be pretending that the case is the computer and the=20
                    motherboard an accessory instead of the=20
reality.</FONT></DIV>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
                    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
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