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Skriven 2009-04-08 07:21:22 av JOHN FITZGERALD (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BOB KLAHN
Ärende: ETHICAL DEBATE
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JF>   "We"?  I can have a discussion about race without getting
JF>   "hysterical". So can most people.   Do you feel you can't?

BK>   I doubt you have ever in your life had a serious talk about
BK>   race. Not with anyone who didn't see things pretty much
BK>   the way you do.

JF>   I am sorry to hear about your doubts and your views
JF>   about this nation as a whole.

BK>   Esp since my views reflect reality.

JF>   You've only confirmed your ignorance here, Bob.

BK>   Oh? Tell us about all the discussions about race
BK>   Americans are having, between the races.

JF>   You mean like the one we're having now?  Like the ones
JF>   we just had in this conf about using racist terms 
JF>   like 'white trash'?

BK>   John, if you can't have those discussions with 
BK>   black people they  don't mean anything.

  You mean everything you've said here doesn't have meaning because
you're not Black?  Does that mean you object to all whites raving about
the black plight to other whites?   And if you feel race is a
qualification for such debates, then isn't that racist also, Bob?


JF>   Most Americans, Black, White, etc, don't have this need
JF>   to discuss 'race', probably because for them, race is not
JF>   an issue.

BK>   If you believe race is not an issue for black people 
BK>   you really don't know any black people very well.

  Since you are not black, by your own 'logic' you have no say here.
And I've met a lot of blacks who are not consumed by history, are able
to look forward and make something of themselves.  If they come off with
the 'perpetual victimhood...you owe me' attitude, people are going to
look away.  Amazing.



BK>   Why do you think so many black people were 
BK>   so overwhelmed by Obama's election? 

  Because many Blacks are racist and voted for him only because he's
half white.



BK>   Why do you think so many said things like, "I never 
BK>   thought I would live to see a black man become 
BK>   president of the United States."

   Because they were hit over the head with racism so many times they
grew up thinking most people hated them simply because of the color of
their skin.  They were induced with the notion that they were the only
people ever subjected to racism, when all they have to do is look to
China and africa to see the worst case scenarios of racism that still
persist to this day.  But we can't have that.  That would upstage all
the raving of activists in this country who must keep blacks angry and
divided against whites to assure their own importance.  That was the
only reason Eric Holder, right after Obama was put into office by mostly
white voters, came off with his divisive claim, calling an entire nation
cowards of racial issues.  Do you think he was referring to Blacks also,
Bob?



JF>   And didn't you used to have a tag line that
JF>   read:  'Race is an idea whose time has passed'?

BK>   I still have it, and use it occasionally.

  Yes, and now, all of the sudden, race 'is' an issue, because after
all, Eric Holder sez so.   Which is it Bob?   Is race an issue or not?



JF>   You have no idea who my friends are/were or anything
JF>   about certain members of my greater family. Your entire
JF>   line here is based on your own prejudices and ignorance.
JF>   Don't appreciate your assumptions, Mr. Klahn.

BK>   Then tell us about it. If you don't talk about
BK>   it all we have is inferences and assumptions.

JF>   That's right, Bob.  That is all you have.

BK>   Then tell us, or you are just blowing smoke about
BK>   how you do have these discussions.

JF>   Don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else.
JF>   Bob.  And Holder's attempts to chide people into these
JF>   discussions was only another attempt to keep the nation
JF>   divided per democrat protocol.

BK>   Do you really believe keeping it buried is not 
BK    dividing this country? 

  It's not buried.  That corpse has been dug up and re-hung so many
times it stinks.



BK>   Do you really believe the divisions will go away if
BK>   the issues aren't discussed?

   Yes, I do, as there are so many positive things to look at.  No one
is saying forget the past, all I am saying is, don't focus on it and
don't chide or try to intimidate people into such discussions.
Holder is another racist jerk, a typical leftist agitator and worst of
all, a hypocrite.



BK>   Above you said I have no idea who your family and frieds
BK>   are/were. I do know you don't have any close black friends or
BK>   relatives...

  Excuse me sir, you know no such things, today or yesterday, so I will
politely ask you to back off in the personal/family department.
Thanks.



BK>   ..not close enough to discuss these issues, or you
BK>   would know better than to say what you have.

  On the contrary, I've gotten several of these insights from Blacks, and
your notion that all Blacks march to your drummer is yet another racist
assertion you have wagered at Blacks.  You should learn some day that
many Blacks have their own minds and as such have a variety of views
concerning their/our history.



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