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Skriven 2009-05-18 18:32:00 av Dave Drum (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av John Fitzgerald
Ärende: Re-examining Torture ...
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-=> JOHN FITZGERALD wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

 DD>   A couple months ago we had a fairly spirited discussion on
 DD>   interrogation techniques after I posted an article by
 DD>   actual people from the field who did not think that
 DD>    torture to get information works well.

 JF>   You mean that public relations piece where they claim none of the
 JF> gov's techniques have been "scientifically tested" but in the same
 JF> breath they turn around and claim what does work?

You claim it's "public relations". In fact it was a well-reasoned article
containing observations by people who have actually "been there and done that".
Which you have not. I submit that you do not know what the hell you are talking
about.
 
 JF>   This begs the question...why would they continue to use
 JF> waterboarding, etc, all of these years if it didn't work??    I mean,
 JF> if all they have to do is sit down and be 'clever' with these prisoners
 JF> WHY would they abandon that approach for something that they claim
 JF> doesn't work?

Apparently you did not read the testimony of Ali Soufan, one of the FBI's lead
interrogators.

 DD>   Ex-FBI Interrogator Calls Harsh Tactics 'Ineffective'
 DD>   by Scott Neuman
 DD>   NPR.org, May 13, 2009 · A former senior FBI agent involved
 DD>   in the interrogation of captured al-Qaida operative Abu Zubaydah
 DD>   told a Senate panel Wednesday that the use of harsh techniques
 DD>   to extract information was "slow, ineffective and unreliable."

 JF>   One man's (bought and paid for?) opinion against many others who have
 JF> claimed otherwise.  Notice he didn't say it never works.  Notice also,
 JF> he offers no alternative which provides better results.

So, you think that an FBI agent's testimony was bought and paid for, do you?
What planet was that you come from, again?  

The man testified, under oath, to the Senate committee that the FBI was getting
good, useful, actionable intelligence from Abu Zubaydah using standard
interrogation techniques. When CIA contractors took over the interrogation
using harsh coercive (waterboarding, etc) techniques Zubaydah clammed up.

Gee, John, that's just the opposite of what you have been claiming. And from a
witness with genuine bona fides ... something you, sitting there in Calfornica
in your armchair, do not have on this subject.

Crawl back under your rock, dude.

ENJOY!!!

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