Text 7370, 102 rader
Skriven 2008-08-27 03:38:04 av Richard Webb (1:116/901.0)
   Kommentar till text 7362 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
Ärende: Edwards
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Hi BOb,

On Tue 2036-Aug-26 13:44, Bob Klahn (1:124/311) wrote to Richard Webb:

 RW>> True, and I"m not totally insensitive to such issues.  FOr
 RW>> a variety of reasons that would take too much explanation
 RW>> for a public echo I seem to have a greater percentage of
 RW>> female friends who were sexually abused or exploited as
 RW>> children. SOmeone being victimized as HIll alleges would
 RW>> have been as poised and together as she sounded during
 RW>> those hearings, and wouldn't have waited until the last
 RW>> possible minute to come forward.

 BK>> AAMOF, that would not be at all out of character. I have
 BK>> learned of a lot of female friends who were abused, and
 BK>> most it took a long time to come out, and they were
 BK>> reluctant to discuss it. I suspect a lot more women have
 BK>> been abused than we know of. And many were as adults.

wOuld agree with that.  IT always takes awhile.  aS I said,
I seem to have a larger percentage of female friends than
average who were.  sOme very close to me in fact.

 RW> YEs, but when most I know of do discuss such situations
 RW> they're usually not so poised and altogether together if
 RW> you catch my drift. even otherwise articulate people when
 RW> discussing such experiences know they need to talk about it
 RW> for whatever reason but are not really happy about doing
 RW> so. IT didn't ring true with me.

BK>  Don't forget a couple important items. She was not seeking
BK>  comfort from a friend, but testifying before the senate. She is  a
BK> lawyer, and she had years to adjust to it. Above all, she was  not
BK> physically abused, but harrassed. It does make a difference. 

even so it's still a traumatic experience for many.  YEs the training as a
lawyer might be of some use when presenting
oneself for purpose of testimony before congress.

<snippage>

BK>>>  She passed a polygraph, Thomas refused to take one.

 RW>> Any practiced liar can control the indicators enough to
 RW>> pass a polygraph.  THis is one reason that polygraph
 RW>> evidence is so controversial.

BK>>  Practiced is the key word. Neither one of them was trained to
BK>> evade a polygraph, and could be tested without giving them time
BK>> to get practice.

Was reading something on this very subject the other day,
and itt stated that those close to us are pretty good lie
detectors.  Anybody who's ever attempted lying to a parent
sibling or spouse knows what I"m saying here.  still, feel
the need to do it often enough, and frequent enough, and the liar gets
practiced at controlling the darting eyes, the
high pulse rate, all the signs that manifest themselves on
the polygraph, and by other signs, i.e. change in voice,
change in manner.

My eldest daughter was nearly pathological.  SInce her
mother was custodial parent until later years mostly it took me longer to spot
it, but I eventually did, then she became
a bit better at it.  A friend argued that my blindness made
it harder for me to spot, but her mother was totally blind
where I have some usable vision, so I was able to quickly
debunk that one <g>>


 RW> YOU can become a well practiced liar without training.
 RW> sElf training will do it.  The same "tells" that will cause
 RW> you to fail the polygraph can trip you up just in
 RW> observation as they result in secondary signs.  SOme people
 RW> learn to lie convincingly young.

BK>  There is no evidence that she had. If there was you can be sure 
BK> the right wing would have revealed it long ago.

We can agree on that point.  tIs doable however.

<snippage>

 BK>>>  How many black people growing up back then did?

 RW>> A good number of course.

BK>>  A good number had an easy childhood?

 RW> Oops, pre-coffee, quite the opposite in fact.  I should
 RW> know better than to compose echomail pre-coffee <g>.

BK>  Best to have it on the side desk when echomailing. Not by the 
BK> computer, I've had to stop to clean up all too often. But the  side
BK> desk doesn't have that problem near as often.

Yah, why I have a side table here for such items as ash tray and liquids <g>.

Regards,
           Richard
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