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Skriven 2004-12-04 13:40:00 av Tony Underwood (1:278/230)
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At 12:40 hours 12/04/2004 -0600, you wrote:
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>>>Kuvak, the other Vulcan minister, didn't have his name mentioned until the
>very end...
I'm wondering if we'll be seeing more of him. Maybe his anonymity was
deliberate so as to not put much emphasis on him... although it does appear
that he was one of the voices of reason on the council... which itself may
NOT be all that bad an organization; V'Las could have been the major force
behind most actions all by himself. He did seem to be commanding a lot of
power, almost dictatorial in nature.
Obviously all this has now changed.
>I wasn't surprised he survived the day, but I was kind of surprised that he
>wasn't placed into custody for the obvious crimes he commited (although I
>suppose a lack of physical evidence may be a factor).
His direct ordering of the deaths/extermination of the Syrranites tends to
lend itself as evidence. I doubt that even the council had the authority
to declare "open season" on all members of a dissident faction. V'Las
was operating far out of bounds across the board, evidently using that
"ends justifies the means" philosophy. If it had all succeeded, he might
well have been regarded as an icon rather than a pariah by those who
remained in positions of authority after all was said and done... this
includes his wheeling and dealing with the unknown Romulan in the basement
who obviously represents something else much more involved, in the works.
I'd expect something bad to happen to V'Las before it's all over.
>But, even assuming he
>had to be let go because he had covered his tracks too well (or simply
>because the "true" story was kept from the populace at large), I'd think the
>former head of the Vulcan state would have a hard time slipping away
>unnoticed.
This would go without saying. Even Mr Romulan Underground stated that
V'Las couldn't leave Vulcan (suggesting that V'Las is pretty much "in for
it") because he was too high in profile and couldn't just disappear without
arousing additional suspicions. After all, the Vulcans *are* pretty
sharp.
>> another to the point that during the first encounter in TOS "Balance Of
>> Terror" we hear Spock speculating about Romulan ancestry. YATI...
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>Even if certain elements of society is aware of something, that doesn't mean
>the information is wide spread.
Agreed. But it's certainly not a mystery either. It may well end up
being more a matter of exactly who is a Romulan and who's assumed to be
such. In BoT we only got to actually see-hear what Sock "allowed" the
bridge crew to know... logic suggests that Spock knew more than he was
letting on. The command meeting later on demonstrates this when Spock
becomes outspoken as to what Enterprise was going to have to do, or else.
The exchange between Spock and McCoy was one of TOS's more memorable bits
of commentary, almost philosophical in nature... not unlike the
commentary from the Andorian ambassador in "...Babel" when he was
commenting upon how passion, not logic, sometimes commands the individual
towards murder.
>From time to time, in TOS, TPTB hit upon some rather profound bits and
pieces which bear reflection.
In BoT during the command meeting discussion, Spock pretty much let the cat
out of the bag in that Romulans weren't that much of a mystery to Vulcans;
his vague references may well have been (in retrospect) have been so as to
not place him in such a position as to let too much of the cat out of the
bag. After all, it hadn't been all THAT long since the Romulan war, and
like Mr Stiles, a lot of Starfleet people still carried a bit of a grudge.
It may well have been in Vulcan's best interests to not let the Federation
get too clued in to the fact that those same Romulans were originally the
offspring of Vulcan.
Of course, after BoT, that same cat was then out of the bag. However...
the suspicious nature with which each culture regarded the other was likely
well understood and long since put to rest by both Humans and Vulcans by
the time of the TOS era, courtesy of the Vulcan "2nd revolution" we're
seeing in ENT now.
>As far as that goes, V'Las could be a
>Romulan himself.
This has been speculated before. I'm not quite sure if he would be
actually Romulan, although I'd certainly go along with his being a Romulan
"patsy", dancing to the tune of the powers on Romulus. I also have few
doubts that the Romulans would think twice about throwing him to the wolves
if things go wrong and they find themselves at risk of discovery.
>He lacks the forehead (as did the TOS Romulans...), but
>otherwise could pass for one, as could many of his ideological followers.
>Think about it. How many Vulcans have we seen before ENTERPRISE who
>couldn't mindmeld?
Or rather, wouldn't. I'd wager that there could well be some Vulcans who
can't, but I'd also be willing to knock around the notion that melding is a
technique that needs nurturing and "culturing" in order to be maintained.
Those who cannot, didn't want to nor did they ever try. Perhaps it's
like riding a bicycle... almost anyone can learn to do it but if you've
never done it before and you try initially you're gonna fail miserably.
>Like anything else, I'm sure that there are some
>disabled Vulcans in that respect,
....I know a guy who cannot ride a bicycle.
>but there seems to be just too many in
>(the former) High Command. Which brings us to... T'Pol, who apparently has
>none of these gifts either.
You gotta learn to ride. Takes practice. And you must believe.
Recall how she held such techniques and concepts in great disdain...
>And T'Les' dying words about how she would come
>to understand something about herself and her emotions...
Ahh... you noticed that, did ya...
Whatcha wanna bet there's a possibility that a bit of a revelation might
be in store as to who T'Pol's father was...?
>Oh and as for Vulcan/Romulan theories, an article posted on www.startrek.com
>the other week had an interesting theme. It explained a lot of things about
>the history of the two species, most of which has common knowledge to most
>of us. One little detail caught my eye, though. The article theorized that
>it would be infinitely more logical if the people we know as the Vulcans
>migrated from Romulus, rather than vice versa. The writer cites the climate
>of the two planets (Romulus being more a more comfortable habitat), Romulan
>warrior instinct (pushing off the more peaceful, logical people), and
>Surak's teachings being geared (due to the limited nature of their new
>life). Of course, I could make some counter-arguements, such as Vulcan
>biology is obviously geared toward surviving on Vulcan (as T'Pol
>demonstrated a couple weeks ago). (If you want to check out this article,
>it's on their website under "The Vulcan Files.")
Interesting concept but it fails to take into consideration the ancient
ruins and other artifacts etc on Vulcan which have been discussed
previously in writings and the various series episodes, although their
mention and/or discussion is suspect as to their being "canon" since no
direct dating was involved if I recall correctly. My take on this is
that it remains Vulcan that spawned both the people we came to know as
Vulcans and the offshoots who ended up settling the worlds we know as
Romulus and Remus.
In this instance, logic suggests that if it had been the Vulcans who were
the outcasts, it's likely that the Romulan majority wouldn't have bothered
with just chasing them off the planet. Romulans have long demonstrated
that they have always lived up to their history as conquerors and warriors
with a ruthless approach to problem-solving. They wouldn't have chased
the Vulcans off Romulus, they'd have exterminated them.
>> And, if Trek history is being written as we speak, this incident in the
>> "basement" with V'lass and his "associate" does answer a few questions and
>> in fact lends some validity to points which would certainly have surfaced
>> along the way before the Fed/Romulan War... where nobody ever got to see
>a
>> Romulan. That notion never really did make much sense... and there's
>> such a rich Trek history in place at this stage of the game, TPTB should
>> lend some rationality to the story as it unfolds in this time frame so as
>> to tie up a bundle of loose ends that had dangled all the way through TOS.
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>Maybe we should put that particular conversation on hold for.... about three
>months.
I'm sure a lot of answers will be coming our way; no lack of discussion
material will be forthcoming, that's for sure.
....that somehow sounds like an oxymoron...
Kinda like having something turn up missing.
....but I digress.
>> By the way... those who saw the Special Edition episodes of TOS with the
>> interviews likely will have recognized Romulan Subcommander Tal's Jack
>> Donner making another appearance in Trek, this time as the Vulcan Priest
>> who takes Surak's Katra out of Archer. Nice touch...
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>Not just a priest. The same priest he played a few weeks ago when he
>married T'Pol...
Yep. It was mentioned in a couple of Trek announcements and I think I
recall seeing note of it in SFC's Sci-Fi News mailings. That's why I said
Donner had made another appearance in Trek... ;) (besides that of
Tal)
>> And I am so smug in seeing my prediction about Koss come true. He had to
>> release T'Pol from the marriage one way or another, no way around it. He
>> even did it in a relatively honorable manner, thus redeeming himself as a
>> not quite so slimy Vulcan out to achieve his purposes via devious
>> activities.
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>Yeah, but as I recall, you thought he was one of the slimy ones.
Yep. Just not as slimy as some others.
Now, keep in mind that the jury is still out on Koss. He remains suspect
for having pressured T'Pol to marry in the first place, in effect holding
her mother's career and position hostage. That alone was kinda slimy.
It does lend substance to his having gone to the trouble to release her
from the marriage... as she'd said, he hadn't been required to do so
(evidently there's a "style penalty" to pay for such an annulment) even
though she certainly didn't try to talk him out of it... evidently honoring
her part of the bargain even though her mom was gone and thus no longer in
need of her career, position and standing.
Slime, however, remains slick. Koss may have done the "honorabe" thing
but his reasons are still suspect. He remains less slimy than V'Las and
some of his operatives, but slick is still slick.
Ya think we'll see more of Koss later...? Was it ever made clear as to
precisely why Koss wanted T'Pol to marry him in the first place?
>And I still think that, for what it was, they really didn't do a heck of a
>lot with T'Pol being married. The marriage ceremony in "Home" lasted longer
>than the amount of time it has been refered to since then!
Koss did say from the start that it would be a paperwork arrangement, with
no contact between them for some considerable span of time; she would
remain in service aboard-ship, etc. Not much to talk about once Trip and
T'Pol had their brief discussion, post-ceremony, once they were back aboard
Enterprise.
Now all this has changed.
tony..
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