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Skriven 2007-09-08 14:58:49 av Daniel Prather (643.win95)
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  By: Sean Dennis to Daniel Prather on Sat Sep 08 2007 08:43 am

 > Yep, he did.  He worked heavily on the Lisa which was renamed
 > the Macintosh after licensing the GUI partially from McIntosh
 > Laboratories.  Remember, it was the board who "fired" Woz. He didn't
 > quit. Not like he really needs the day job...

The Macintosh is not the Lisa.  They were two different projects.  I think
you're also confusing Steve Wozniak with Steve Jobs.  Woz didn't ever quit, he
just stopped working.  He's still on the payroll to this day, and he's an Apple
shareholder.  Steve Jobs was fired by the board, he founded NeXT, and then came
back to Apple later.

And McIntosh Laboratories?  Never heard of it.

 > All NeXTSTEP and OS X is basically BSD with a pretty front-end.  I don't
 > think there was too much to it.  Jobs hosed NeXT because he ran it into
 > the ground financially and overloaded those boxes with stuff, while cool
 > and ahead of its time, was overpriced and no one wanted it....

But NeXT got $400 million when purchased by Apple.  I'd say that's not that bad
of a trade, though I can't say how much they spent on developing the NeXT
machines.  While OS X is based on BSD (as was NeXT), the Aqua contributions
(along with Objective-C, Cocoa, etc.) are fairly significant.  To act like it's
just a distribution of BSD with a pretty window manager is somewhat naive.

 > ...just like Jobs pissed off all the iPhone users.  I had a good laugh
 > at a friend's expense on that one.  I warned him that the price was
 > going to drop a good amount within six months because after the initial
 > "cool" factor, the iPhone was going to become a big boat anchor.
 > Evidently, even Jobs' ego couldn't keep the iPhone completely afloat.

Jobs pisses off a lot of people.  If you're purchasing the first generation of
some product, especially on launch day, you're an absolute idiot if you don't
expect you'll 1) pay more and 2) get to work out the bugs.  I've only bought
two things like that, and I was lucky with both of them where I didn't have
problems.  But with one of them I paid a lot of money for it, and it dropped
significantly in price not much later.  That's the cost of being able to say
"Hey, I've got <insert thing here>!" before the majority of people can say the
same thing.

 > Have you ever read what Woz has had to say about Jobs?  Not too
 > flattering.  The only reason Apple rehired Jobs was because he left a
 > bunch of f*ckups running the company and they put it into the ground.
 > If it wasn't for their worst enemy, MS, injecting money into Apple,
 > Macintosh computers would have gone the way of the DeLorean (but
 > DeLoreans are being manufactured again, so, I could be wrong...).

Jobs and Woz have a long history, and I'm sure there is conflict between them.
What life-long relationship doesn't?  That said, I believe they're still
friends and still talk.

Jobs didnlt leave anyone running the company.  The board put everyone in place
when they ousted him.  But, Apple wasn't doing so hot after he left.  Once Jobs
came back, they started doing much, much, much better.  He's definitely a good
businessman.  He also knew when to swallow his pride and accept money from the
"enemy", knowing that it would turn to his advantage in the future.

 > Then again, with the way he handled his stock options in recent memory,
 > I wouldn't say he's too bright in the personal finances department.

Considering he's a billionaire, I'd say he's doing pretty well.

 > But, there will be Apple people who will blindly buy everything Apple
 > puts out, whether it's worth the silicon it's made out of or not.  I
 > think Apple dropped a big pile of poo on the market with the iPhone.  I
 > guess the iPod wasn't enough (but look at MS's Zune, what a turd :).
 > Now you can't tell the iPod from the iPhone.  To me, it's a bunch of
 > iPoo.

There are always fans who will buy everything, no matter how sucky the product
us, how terrible the food, how horrible the music, etc.  I think the iPhone is
pretty cool, but it has far too many restrictions to be useful to me.

 > At least Apple does something right with its computers, even if they're
 > basically PCs running a fancy version of BSD these days.

I'd say as long as the system works, it really doesn't matter what is
underneath it.  I still miss PowerPC, though (I'm typing this on my G5).

 > (A little disclaimer: I don't think all Mac users are airheaded idiots.
 > Just the fanboys who get aroused by the lame, arrogant, and
 > Jobs-approved "PC vs. Mac" commercials and think Apple computers will
 > rule the world after 20+ years of single digit market share. Another
 > disclaimer: I particularly dislike Windows. I love OS/2. :)

I'd say that's probably true for any fanatic.

-- Daniel
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