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Skriven 2006-06-02 21:31:00 av Robert E Starr JR (1844.babylon5)
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"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 29 May 2006 14:32:47 +0000 (UTC), "Carl"
> <cengman7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Paul Harper" <paul@harper.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 29 May 2006 12:33:58 +0000 (UTC), "Carl"
>>> <cengman7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Isn't that what people are conditioned by society to does these days?
>>>>Ignore strengths, catalog faults, define us by them and hold them 
>>>>against
>>>>us
>>>>as a rationale to divide "them" from "us" whenever possible?
>>>
>>> Yes. It's the tribal nature of the beast. It's never the common,
>>> shared ground that unites, it's always the differences, however small,
>>> that divide. It's nothing specific to religion, though that is a good
>>> and widespread example, it's also politics, race, geography and any
>>> number of categories - some real some deliberately made up.
>>>
>>> Until the planet evolves beyond the need to have such things as
>>> religion, local politics, envy and such like, it's always going to be
>>> that way. The hierarchies at the top of the various bureaucracies
>>> (again, whether in a religious, commercial, media or political
>>> context) have a vested interest in maintaining it that way. It's what
>>> retains their power bases, and power, influence and fame will always
>>> draw small-minded people like moths to a flame.
>>
>>
>>I don't think that you have to "evolve" beyond religion, politics, etc.
>>There's nothing wrong with a belief system as long as you don't try to
>>impose yours on me and I don't try to impose mine on you.  We're never 
>>going
>>to completely agree on everything, nor would it be healthy for us to do 
>>so.
>>
>>People need to understand that the the people on the "other" side of any
>>fence may have good reasons for being there.  We might disagree with them,
>>but that doesn't make the reasons invalid or the other person bsd or even
>>wrong".   Their reasons are every bit as compelling (from their side) as
>>ours are for us....and there aren't going to be many instances in which 
>>even
>>two people are always going to be on the same side of the fence across
>>multiple issues.  The same people on the other side of one fence on one
>>issue might be on your side when it comes to another issue.
>>
>>I don't necessarily blame any particular power base.  People need to make 
>>up
>>their own mind rather than relinquishing their right to having their own
>>opinions.  A power structure will always take advantage of the people that
>>let them.  Even that power structure will usually think they are doing
>>something for the benefit of those people.  Everyone rationalizes their 
>>own
>>views.
>
> To play devil's advocate (you must admit the dude has been
> underrepresented here ever since Bill Gates left the group), maybe
> there's a reason for that power structure, and for the imposition by a
> powerful group of its beliefs on a less powerful, and for that matter
> for the existence of groups and dogmas and competition between them .
> .. .
>

Yeah, Gates has been too busy giving $29 Billion to charities and trying to 
bring medicines to third world countries.  I can see where you'd be looking 
for a 666  birthmark. :)

Power is the end result for a  lot of groups, not  the cause.  Some cause or 
belief is challenged and enough people to form a large enough voting block 
or enough people with enough money get together to try to push the "threat" 
back.    Just because a group of people is powerful does not mean its' 
intentions are bad or that they wish to impose their will on others.

Of course it doesn't it mean they are right in their views either.


























> -- 
> Josh
>
> "I'm not going to play like I've been a person who's spent hours involved 
> with foreign policy.
> I am who I am." - George W. Bush
>
                                                  
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