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Skriven 2007-07-11 02:19:26 av Amy Guskin (2325.babylon5)
     Kommentar till en text av rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Ärende: Re: Comic-Con Schedule Preview - B5 panel on Friday 7/27
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>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:36:18 -0400, John W. Kennedy wrote
(in article <QcRki.37$%c1.5@newsfe12.lga>):

> Stefan wrote:
>> On 10 Jul., 14:16, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:51:32 -0400, Blair Leatherwood wrote
>>> (in article <mP6dnVYQx911kg7bnZ2dnUVZ_ompn...@comcast.com>):
>>=20
>> [snipped]
>>>> "she gave birth to a little daughter who was as white as snow, as re=
d as
>>>> blood, and her hair as black as ebony."
>>>> The Complete Fairy Tales of the Brothers Grimm (Jack Zipes, tr.) Ban=
tam
>>>> Books edition, 1987, p 196. <<
>>> Thanks, Blair.  I should also mention that I wasn't in fact able to d=
ig up=20
>>> a
>>> copy last night with the real mother as Evil Queen (but darn it, I _k=
now_
>>> I've got at least one copy of that version somewhere!), but all the=20
>>> versions
>>> did have the mother embroidering at the start, with an ebony frame.  =
She
>>> pricks her finger while sewing, a drop of blood falls out of the wind=
ow and
>>> onto the snow, and the mother wishes at that moment for "a child as r=
ed as
>>> blood, as white as snow, and as black as the ebony frame."  Soon afte=
r she
>>> gives birth to a child with (in many versions) skin as white as snow,=
 lips=20
>>> as
>>> red as blood, and hair as black as ebony.
>>>=20
>>> I'd love to see the version John was reading -- there's some question=
 as to
>>> how faithfully the Grimm brothers recorded the stories they were told=
 in
>>> their travels, but still, the earliest versions (they rewrote and rep=
rinted
>>> at least a couple of times in their lifetimes), in German, would at l=
east=20
>>> be
>>> interesting to see.
>>=20
>> Here we are:
>> "Bald darauf bekam sie ein T=F6chterlein, das war so wei=DF wie Schnee=
, so
>> rot wie Blut, und so schwarzhaarig wie Ebenholz, und ward darum das
>> Sneewittchen (Schneewei=DFchen) genannt."
>> The Zipes translation is a word-to-word one.
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>> I assume that's pretty official Grimm - from the "Gutenberg-Projekt"
>> site.
>> http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/?id=3D5&xid=3D969&kapitel=3D257&cHash=3Db2=
042df08bsneewi
>> tt#gb_found
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> Ah, but that has the fatal two sentences:
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>     Und wie das Kind geboren war, starb die K=F6nigin.
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>     =DCber ein Jahr nahm sich der K=F6nig eine andere Gemahlin.
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> So it's not the original edition.<<

Yeah, because even if the queen _did_ die in childbirth in the original, =
the=20
king would most likely have taken the daughter herself as his wife, rathe=
r=20
than some arbitrary beautiful, evil woman!

You know, I had to take a shower after reading "Princess Mouseskin." =20
Unclean!  :-p

Amy
--=20
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and ove=
r=20
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - Geor=
ge=20
W. Bush, May 24, 2005
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