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Skriven 2006-07-05 23:17:00 av Robert E Starr JR (3901.babylon5)
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Josh Hill wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:26:43 -0700, Charlie Edmondson
> <edmondson@ieee.org> wrote:
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> 
>>My basic point is that Josh has merely been exhibiting class envy, 
>>someone might be getting a free ride, and he didn't get one. 
> 
> 
> Charlie, have you read my posts? The posts in which I stated clearly
> that that is not true, that I am upper middle class and a preppie and
> Ivy Leaguer who had a ride that was about as privileged as can be this
> side of being a Rockefeller?
> 
> 
>>The point 
>>is that politicians have played him like a puppet, (Strainer!) and 
>>gotten him to support laws that really only apply to upper middle class 
>>and lower upper class folks, to control these upstarts and keep 
>>themselves in power.
> 
> 
> IOW, myself and most of the people I grew up with?
> 
> 
>> The politicians are the ones that have the money 
>>(both parties!) and they will keep theirs, no matter what.  They just 
>>want to control others who might want to take it from them.
> 
> 
> Nice theory, but it breaks down when faced with reality. I might add
> that most of those upper-middle and lower-upper and upper-upper class
> friends and relations believe as I do, and like me would shake their
> heads sadly that so many naive poor and middle-class Americans have
> been taken for a ride by some of their less scrupulous counterparts,
> generally greedy nouveau riche business types.
> 
Hi Josh,
I hereby apologize for accusing you of class envy.  It is now apparent 
that your disdain may stem more from guilt, or maybe you have been more 
exposed to the 'parasitical' element of the upper class.  But remember 
Josh, there are parasitical elements at every level, because they are 
people, and some people are just like that.  That is why you have the 
welfare frauds of folks that manage to game the system to earn large 
sums, why there are traders at Enron who find no problem in creating 
blackouts in California, why every workgroup has a 'Wally' that does as 
little as possible, but somehow never seems to be fired or laid off.

But, we differ in how we think this should be handled.  For some reason 
that I haven't figured out, you seem to trust government to handle these 
problems.  You believe in a benevolent beaurocracy (sp?) that will 
handle problems, dispense money and justice, and help us.  We are from 
the government, we are hear to help you?  I accept the fact that we need 
some regulations and laws, but feel that we need a LOT less than we have 
now.

I wonder what you consider the 'ride' that we have been taken on?  Are 
you speaking of GWB?  I would not classify several generations of wealth 
as nouvea.  Is there some other ride you speak of?  Pray tell.

Charlie
                                                                               
                                              
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