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Skriven 2006-07-25 21:13:00 av Robert E Starr JR (5327.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: I'm Gone
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"Laura Appelbaum" <l-appelbaum@mindspring.com> wrote in message 
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> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006@msn.com> wrote in message 
> news:1153811506.426537.17290@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> Laura Appelbaum wrote:
>>> "Jay Denebeim" <denebeim@deepthot.org> wrote in message
>>> news:e9iuus$fto$4@dent.deepthot.org...
>>> >
>>> > Wanna bet?  One of them never stopped until he died.  (It was only
>>> > after that that I learned he was such a jerk because he was young,
>>> > very young, and dying of cancer.  Felt horrible about it.)
>>> >
>>> Neither being young, nor dying of cancer are reasons or excuses for 
>>> being an
>>> asshole.  Me, I never spent one minute feeling sorry Cronin was gone, no
>>> matter what it took to get rid of him.  Don't think you should either.
>>
>> Because if anyone disagrees with you, they deserve to die of a horrid
>> disease. Right. "No matter what it takes."
>
> That's absolutely not what I'm saying.  What I'm saying is that I 
> genuinely couldn't care less one way or another if he is dead or alive, 
> because all I knew him as was an annoyance.  Made no difference to me 
> whether it was because he died or because someone stole his computer.  He 
> was gone, and I was glad he was.  I'm just being waayyyy more honest than 
> apparently quite a few of you are willing to be with yourselves.  Because 
> there's a huge difference between actively wishing someone ill and truly 
> not giving a damn about them at all.

I didn't know Cronin.  I apparently came here after he died and I'd never 
even heard of him until this thread.  Still, I've watched someone very close 
to me died slowly at 16.  The amount of fear, pain, and sometimes hatred for 
the universe that could cheat them out of a future they hadn't even realized 
they had counted on is beyond what most people can grasp.

Maybe he was unpleasant before he got sick.  Maybe he became a PITA 
afterwards.  I don't have a clue.  Having read what was posted, he 
apparently touched the lives of some and  royally corked off you and others. 
One way or another, he is remembered, and I suggest to anyone reading this 
that this fact alone was almost certainly important to Cronin.

I'm tempted to reply to a number of your comments, but I suspect that my 
words would be misinterpreted as being critical of you and that's not how I 
would mean them.  I would only suggest that perhaps being a jerk in a 
newsgroup is not the worst thing one can be accused of... and perhaps it 
might be forgiven after his death.

As to not "giving a damn," I hope that is simply irritation speaking. The 
death of anyone...particularly someone that young is cause for sorrow.

Carl

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>>
>> And saying no one should feel sorry for a kid who died of cancer?
>
> :rolls eyes: No, but by Jay's saying he felt "horrible about it" it seemed 
> to me that he was feeling somehow guilty that he drew the obvious 
> conclusion -- that the guy was a jerk -- about him, just because he had 
> died.  And I don't see any reason why he or anyone else who had to put up 
> with all the moderating Cronan made him have to do, should feel guilty 
> about having been massively irritated by him.  It's like when people used 
> to say "don't speak ill of the dead."  Well, why the hell not, if the dead 
> earned that ill will in life?  Doesn't that rather shortchange all the 
> kind words people say about *wonderful* people who have passed away, if 
> suddenly we're all going to pave over the fact that someone else was a 
> terrible person in life?  Praise means nothing if you give it to those who 
> don't deserve it, and since we only have a limited capacity for feeling 
> *genuinely* happy, sorrowful, whatever, before it all becomes rote, then 
> why apologize if it hasn't been earned?  If Jay had only said "it was sad 
> when I learned he was a teenager and died ," I wouldn't have said 
> anything, because I could see that as a commensurate response; yes, it's 
> often sad when someone dies young.  But to say he felt "horrible" seemed 
> like he was, IMO giving himself too much of a hard time, so I let him know 
> that's what I thought.
>
>> Honestly, I expected better. Did I always agree with Cronan? Not
>> always. Did most people always agree with the guy? No, but he had the
>> courage to put things out there, and in time... goodness... in time he
>> may have done so much more. Thinking back to myself at that age, the
>> guy had so much together. He had so much together. This is all so long
>> ago.
>
> Well then you clearly experienced a different Cronan than I did; maybe you 
> "met" him elsewhere online.  To me, he was nothing more than a troll who 
> had an amazing capacity to take over threads and drive off jms or anyone 
> else who had anything genuinely interesting to say crazy.  I saw no signs 
> of any "courage," "goodness" or anything else other than being a total 
> pest.  If you did, hey, :shrug: that's fine.  But no need to assail me for 
> being honest about the virtual person I experienced.
>
> LMA
>
                                              
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