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"Wesley Struebing" <strueb@carpedementem.org> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 30 May 2006 08:03:37 +0000 (UTC), "Vorlonagent"
> <jt@otfresno.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Paul Harper" <paul@harper.net> wrote in message
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> <snip>
>>>
>>> Not quite sure where that came from. Which eminent scientist (or even
>>> respect television presenter like Sir David Attenborough) did you
>>> think was unsure about climate change?!  The only people who profess
>>> to be unsure about this are the oil companies and their political
>>> lapdogs. It is fact. We have to deal with it or live with the
>>> consequences.
>>
>>There is no consensus on the CAUSE of global warming, which is the true 
>>root
>>issue.  Yes the planet is warming up, and there's a pretty good consensus
>>about that.  But Earth has had a higher global average than it currently 
>>has
>>and well before humanity came upon the scene.  We're currently well within
>>natural tolerances.
> You are correct in the sense that a "new" ecology will develop to work
> within those changed parameters, but it is already proving more than
> problematical for life in the sea, such as plankton and especially
> coral, which seems to be dying off at an alarming rate.
>>
>>For global warming to be of concern, the temperature shift has to mostly 
>>or
>>comepletly human-made and within humanity's ability to change.  All global
>>warming concern is based on assuming we know the answers on these two
>>points.
> Not necessarily.  See my comment above.  Whatever the reason (and the
> temps have been going in this cycle since the beginning of the
> Industrial Revolution.  What seems to have taken far longer in the
> past has taken place in the past 250 years, a split second in
> geological time.
>>
>>Boilerplate global warming assumes that the shift in temperature is 
>>entriely
>>human-made and entirely within humanity's control--but only if we hurry!
>
> No, it doesn't, and except for some real fear-mongers, no one is
> saying that it is exclusively a man-made warming.  What they are
> saying is that human activity is contributing inordinately to the
> overall climate change.
>>
>>I have never heard a global-warming alarmist ever talk about what 
>>percentage
>>of the earth's temperature rise could possibly be due to natural causes,
>>leading to the conclusion that the entirety of global warming is being
>>blamed on humanity.  This seem to me to be naive in the extreme.  We live 
>>on
>>a world that is constantly in flux.  If humans never appeared, this planet
>>would still see climate change over time due to solar output and the
>>gods-know-what-all.  There is no constant, static baseline background to
>>measure the current warming against.  Nor have we taken detailed 
>>temperature
>>readings across the planet for a long enough period of time for 
>>large-scale
>>trends to appear, as evidenced by the fact that as little as thirty years
>>ago enviornmental alsrmists were worried about the onset of the next ice
>>age.
>>
>>Thus I think it can reasonably be said that we don't know what humanity's
>>contribution to global warming is.  Therefore we don't know what degree of
>>threat this warming poses or whether we can do anything about it.
>
> Well, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a
> duck, chances are it's a duck...

And therefore...it's made of wood. <Python reference>
                                                                               
                                     
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