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Skriven 2004-12-11 17:09:00 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av STEVE ASHER
Ärende: Secret of Fatima
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Hello Steve,

>LL>According to the Vatican, all three parts of the secret of Fatima
>LL>have been revealed.  But how does one go about interpreting the
>LL>secret, in order to make sense of it all?

SA>To start with, one would need to be very careful about the source
SA>of the visions & secrets of Fatima. (I.e. was it of God, or of
SA>Satan, faking & purporting to use "Mary" in order to deceive?)

Oh, for sure.  That is why Catholics are under no obligation to
believe any of the apparitions as being from God.  The Church has,
on rare occasion, approved some apparitions.  But only in a negative
sense. Fatima is one of those which has been approved.  But no Catholic
is obliged to believe those apparitions occurred, or are of God.

Garibandol was not approved. IOW, the Church found fault.
Medjugorge was also not approved, although the Church did leave
it up to local bishops to draw their own conclusions.

Many others were condemned.

>LL>The first part of the secret is a vision of Hell.
>LL>The second part of the secret is a vision of War.

SA>I'll take your word for these two. :)

The first part is very short, being a very brief description of Hell.
The second part is much longer, and much more detailed.

>LL>The third part of the secret appears to be a vision of Martyrdom.

SA>According to http://www.ladyofroses.org/special.htm the third secret is
SA>that Satan would enter into the highest realms of the heirarchy in Rome;
SA>that Satan would enter into "My Son's Church".

There are many various interpretations.  In summation, it appears the
first part was a vision of Hell, the second part how we get there, the
third part how to keep from going there.

SA>This makes me suspect that, given the widespread belief that the Pope
SA>is the Antichrist (Beast 666), "Mary's" secrets will be used to bolster
SA>this belief, justify the killing of the Pope & dismantling the RC Church
SA>(etc) while the real Antichrist (the "Moshiach" being pushed by Jews
SA>& Noachides) gets ready to do his thing.

This is the part where a real conspiracy thread can be started.
According to the RCC, Christ will come again at the end of human
history.  Tradition has it that a Pope will hand over the keys
to the kingdom to Christ upon his return.  Now, what would happen
if the Pope were to ask for Christ's return?  Would Christ then
be obligated to return, thus becoming The Last Pope?  Suppose
the Christ that does come is not the right one?

>LL>All three parts of the secret comprise the whole.  However, what is
>LL>interesting is the first two parts of the secret are conditional.
>LL>IOW, if certain steps are taken, something will happen.  If certain
>LL>steps are not taken, this will happen.  The third part of the
>LL>secret is different, being that it is *not* conditional.  IOW,
>LL>regardless of what is done or not done, this *will* happen.

>LL>What I will attempt to do is to show a proper interpretation of the
>LL>secret of Fatima, using philosophical method.  That does not mean
>LL>my interpretation is the only possible interpretation.  Nor does it
>LL>mean that my interpretation is necessarily the correct
>LL>interpretation.

>LL>In fact, there are many possible interpretations.  Even the Pope
>LL>admits that his own interpretation may not be the correct
>LL>interpretation.  The Pope's right hand man, Ratzinger, admits the
>LL>same in regards to the interpretation he gave on the Vatican web
>LL>site.  Furthermore, Lucy herself admits not to know the correct
>LL>interpretation, saying she was merely shown the vision, not the
>LL>interpretation.

>LL>All participants are encouraged to present their own
>LL>interpretation.

SA>I would proceed on the assumption that the whole Fatima vision (and
SA>Mary apparition phenomenon) is satanic in origin, designed to deceive
SA>people into accepting the false Christ.

That would be a pre-conceived notion, which may, or may not, be true.
Satan can take on many forms, including that of an angel of light.
As such, the premise of Marian apparitions being satanic in origin
cannot be discounted.  In fact, many such apparitions have been
condemned by the Church on those grounds.  It is also one of the main
reasons why Catholics are under no obligation to believe any Marian
apparition as being of God.

Interpretation of the secret of Fatima does not have to be along
religious lines.  It can be read, and interpreted, in a political
context.  Or some other context.  And still be accurate.

--Lee


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