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Skriven 2005-02-26 23:54:02 av Steve Asher (3:800/432.0)
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Mulling over LEE LOFASO to STEVE ASHER 22 Feb 2005

G'day Lee...

>SA>launched his eight year war against Iran in 1980. Almost all Arab
>SA>countries - with a notable exception of Syria - supported Saddam's
>SA>war out of fear that Iran's revolution would spread to other countries.

>LL>It's hard to spread a revolution when the people hate the
>LL>mullahs...

SA>Remember, the goal of Islam is to restore the Caliphate & have the whole
SA>world under Sharia law -

 LL> That's the Wahhabe version.  Many Saudis adhere to that concept. 

It is not exclusively wahabi - the *fictional* scenario on the CIA's
web site indicates that the CIA is mindful of the Islamic desire to
restore the Caliphate & to anticipate its possible effects. The US
population may remain in blissful ignorance, consuming the garden grunt
that Bush & co are putting out, but those in the positions of influence
have at least some knowledge of unfolding events & how to anticipate
them.

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(NB: Fictional Scenario)

Private Letter to a Relative from Sa'id Muhammad Bin Ladin

June 3, 2020

Grandfather would have been frustrated. The proclamation of the
Caliphate has not yet turned out to be our Deliverance.  As you know,
dear brother, Grandfather believed in the return to the period of the
Rightly Guided Caliphs when the leaders of Islam ruled over an empire
as true Defenders of the Faith.  He envisaged the Caliphate holding
sway again over the Muslim world, reconquering lost lands in Palestine
and Asia, and rooting out the infidel Western influences or
"globalization" as the Crusaders so euphemistically call it.  The
spiritual and temporal world would once again be in single obedience
to the will of Allah, refuting the West's division of Church and
State.  In the end, as we've seen, the proclamation has not yet
overcome these divisions even if the emergence of the Caliphate has
put the fear of Allah in the Crusader powers (and Grandfather would
have been pleased at this).  Westernization has certainly lost its
luster with many Muslims, and the Caliphate has rent asunder a number
of contrived nation-states that were figments of the colonizers'
imagination. 

When I think back on it, I don't know how we missed seeing the
emergence of the young Khalifahubut then we were all surprised,
believer and infidel.  The young preacher suddenly had a worldwide
following.  Even before he was proclaimed Khalifah, successor to the
Prophet peace be upon Him, he was revered everywhere among the
faithful.  Maybe it was because he was not al-Qa'ida and had not led a
political movement like Grandfather.  He appeared all the more
spiritual.  He wasn't tainted with the unfortunate killings of
innocents which, whether Grandfather admitted it or not, deterred some
from supporting al-Qa'ida.  From Muslim lands halfway around the world
in The Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and
Pakistan, the expressions of allegiance and money came pouring in.
Some in the ruling elites also embraced him, hoping to bolster their
shaky grip on power.  In Europe and America, non-practicing Muslims
were awakened to their true identity and faith and, in some cases,
left their bewildered Westernized parents to return to their
homelands.  Even some infidels were impressed with his spirituality;
the Pope, for example, tried to initiate an interfaith dialogue with
him.   And anti-globalizers in the West idolized him.  Within a short
period, it became clear there was no alternative but to proclaim what
so many had yearned forua new Caliphate.  

(snip / snip / snip)

"Lessons Learned"

A Caliphate would not have to be entirely successful for it to present
a serious challenge to the international order.  This scenario
underlines the saliency of the cross-cultural ideological debate that
would intensify with growing religious identities. 

   * The IT revolution is likely to amplify the clash between Western
     and Muslim worlds. 

   * The appeal of a Caliphate among Muslims would vary from region
     to region, which argues for Western countries adopting a
     differentiated approach to counter it. Muslims in regions benefiting
     from globalization, such as parts of Asia and Europe, may be torn
     between the idea of a spiritual Caliphate and the material advantages
     of a globalized world. 

   * The proclamation of a Caliphate would not lessen the likelihood
     of terrorism and, in fomenting more conflict, could fuel a new
     generation of terrorists intent on attacking those opposed to the
     Caliphate, whether inside or outside the Muslim world.

Full Scenario at CIA - http://www.cia.gov/nic/PDF_GIF_2020_Support/
NIC%202020%20Final%20Paper/2020%20Project_files/Caliphate_scenario.htm
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SA>the goal of dominionist Christianity is to impose
SA>Christian dominion over the earth in order for Jesus Christ to return -

 LL> That's the Dispensationalist version.   Many Evangelicals (and
 LL> Bush) adhere to that concept.

I feel it is incompatible with Dispensationalism, and is a rejection of
concepts such as the rapture of the Church prior to the Tribulation in
favour of the view that the Church is capable of perfecting the Earth 
to the extent that Christ can return... rather than the apostasy or
turning away that the Bible refers to ... great falling away, then that
man of sin be revealed ... as in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8. I.e. the
Dominionists are setting themselves up to embrace a false Christ.

SA>the goal of those seeking to impose noahide laws is to prepare the way
SA>for Messiah to appear ...

 LL> A sect of Judaism holds that view.  Not all Jews.  However, that
 LL> view is gaining more acceptance among Jews.

Not all Jews, but certainly the late Lubavitcher Rebbe and his adherents
have had great success in having Noahide laws accepted by the US Govt
as being the bedrock of civilization, universal laws etc - "noahides"
are a sort of "Jew lite" - Gentiles obligated to obey the 7 noahide
laws, but not the 622 (or so) commandments applicable to Jews - they
have few rights, perhaps little better than pariahs in India.

SA>it is possible that all three groups will go
SA>to war in the hope of ultimate victory at the expense of the others -

 LL> Hmmm.  Lemme see.  There are a billion Muslims in the world. There
 LL> are a billion Christians in the world.  There are only some 10-15
 LL> million Jews in the world.  Seems like the Jews
 LL> are grossly outnumbered...

Inded, they are, and when the nations come against them to destroy them,
it will only be the return of Jesus Christ that will prevent the destruction
of all life.

SA>it is also possible that the New Age "Christ", "Messiah", "Mahdi" "World
SA>Teacher" will appear and be accepted as Christ / Messiah / Mahdi etc &
SA>prevent all out war, at least until he reveals his true identity & intent,
SA>and breaks the covenant & invades Israel.

 LL> This part may seem off-topic to the discussion, but it is more a
 LL> prelude to what comes next.  IOW, for a new "Christ" to be
 LL> accepted, the world has to be prepared to accept that new "Christ"
 LL> as the One. 

"When the Moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars..."

The conditioning has been going on for many years.

 LL> In about a year, a worldwide flu pandemic will break out, the
 LL> mortality rate being around 70 percent or higher.  It has happened
 LL> before.  The last time being in 1918, with the Spanish Flu.  How do
 LL> I know this will happen again one year from now?  The tsunami event
 LL> of December 26, 2004. Krakatoa (created tsunamis) - one year later
 LL> comes flu pandemic. Flash floods throughout world in 1917 - one
 LL> year later comes pandemic. In 1918, most who died from flu pandemic
 LL> were under 40 years of age. The reason older folks generally
 LL> survived was due to previous exposure of same or similar virus. 

The talk is certainly of "bird flu", SARS etc sweeping the globe, sooner
rather than later.

 LL> Remember the four horses of the Apocalypse, and the order they are
 LL> presented.

Yes, and while quite a few will seek to understand the Biblical implications,
many will no doubt be deceived by the New Age variant, which will present the
massive death toll as part of the process of planetary cleansing, reducing
the population to "sustainable levels", eliminating "negativity" and
"separatism" etc.

Cheers, Steve..

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