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Skriven 2008-11-27 23:08:16 av Nancy Backus (1:3634/12.0)
     Kommentar till en text av Ruth Haffly
Ärende: LLLI cookbooks  was: strawberries
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-=> Quoting Ruth Haffly to Nancy Backus on 11-24-08 14:29 <=-

 NB>> One gets used to certain substitutions for better nutrition, and they
 NB>> seem to work their way into other recipes.. (G)  "But I CAN'T use... I
 NB>> haven't got any in the house...!"

 RH> I know; if you've got any cook books that have brand name products
 RH> used in them......................  So what if the tomato sauce isn't
 RH> C or H or DM as long as it's tomato sauce?

I was thinking more of white sugar, instant rice, etc.  Brand name
substitutions go without saying around here... :)  Of course, which ones
of those are in the house may depend on what's in them, too.

--warning, snipping here--
 RH>> I know we tried to get one of my sisters in law into a group in 1981.
 RH>> She tried nursing but didn't
 RH>> really have much success so went to bottle feeding rather quickly.
 NB>> Had she seen her mom nurse?  Or

 RH> She (Steve's mom) bottle fed all 5 of her kids; my nursing Rachel was
 RH> a first in their family.

That was my guess.  Along with her sister not nursing either.  If it's
not familiar, and there's not much support, any little thing can sour
the deal quickly.

 RH> My MIL came down to help the first week but
 RH> couldn't really help with nursing problems.  She did fix a good sized
 RH> portion of broccoli for me one night (eat your vegetables); Rachel had
 RH> a good case of gas a few hours later. Her intentions were good but the
 RH> lack of knowledge was bad for all of us.

She meant well.  :)  Like my sister, who came to help us when Rob was
born, and, who when cooking frozen wonton soup cooked it until the
wontons fell apart...
 
 NB>> anything else...  I imagine that she would have felt more at home in
 NB>> a group if she had had a friend or family member to go with her... or
 NB>> that was already part of the group.  I think for nursing to go well,
 NB>> one has to either have the right mindset about it, or have lots of
 NB>> good support... or both...  :)

 RH> I think it's a lot of both.  Rachel is nursing Sarah, and did Robert
 RH> but I know she started suppliments (relatively) early with Robert.  She
 RH> wants to go longer with straight nursing Sarah however.
 
Agreed, generally both...  Very strongly on either, though, can make
enough of a difference to make it go...  :)  One's experiences with
others nursing probably counts some in each category, as does one's own
experience... :)

 RH> Keeps the formula/bottle industries in business. (G)  But, it's
 RH> something that you can't pressure a woman into, successfully anyway.
 
Got a point there... two points, actually...  :)  Very true, that
pressuring doesn't work... if nothing else, the stress makes the process
even less likely to be successful, which really defeats the purpose. :)

 NB>> All my sisters nursed their kids, never considered anything else...
 NB>> but then, Mommy had nursed all of us, and we just took it for granted
 NB>> that that was the normal way to do things... and the next generation

 RH> Same here. My mom claims she nursed all of us for 6 moths but my baby
 RH> book says that I was on all cows milk by Election Day.  My birthday is
 RH> in the latter part of July; her math doesn't add up there.

She was just learning on you...  you were the first, right?  :)  After
you, she made sure to nurse longer... :)

Mommy claims to have usually nursed each for a year or more... it's
possible, as I really wasn't paying that much attention... the kid was
born, nursed, eventually was eating at the table with us, and the next
kid was born, etc...  I did notice that every time we moved, she was
either pregnant or nursing, so Daddy did the bulk of the packing and
moving... :)
 
 NB>> doing the same.  :)  Nowadays, I've noticed that there's a lot more
 NB>> support from the get-go, from the hospital when the baby is born, and
 NB>> usually from the doctors...

 RH> Yes, Rachel was visited by a lactation specialist when Sarah was only
 RH> about 3 hours old.  She also called Rachel a week later, don't know
 RH> about other times.  Sarah's doctor and Rachel's ob-gyn are both very
 RH> supportive as well.

They've learned a bit over the years... :)
 
 NB>> I think that similar happened with us... Richard was as great an
 NB>> advocate of it as I.  ;)

 RH> It's a big help when your husband is fully into it as well.  Steve had
 RH> thought I'd bottle feed as that was all he basically knew about.  When
 RH> I told him I'd be doing otherwise, he started reading about it.  The
 RH> more he read, the more he got into the positives of the idea.  When I
 RH> was pregnant with Deborah, I'd kid him every so often by saying "I
 RH> think I'll try bottle feeding this one........" and got a strong "don't
 RH> even think about it" answer back.
 
If I remember correctly, Richard's mom had bottle-fed her oldest
(possibly started nursing and had problems), but then nursed him, the
younger of two, successfully..  So, while he wouldn't have had any
direct experience, he also wasn't pre-disposed against.  I don't even
remember if we discussed it beforehand... other than as part of general
prep for having the baby... I'm sure I was pretty matter-of-fact about
planning to do what was totally natural to me... nurse, just like I'd
seen modelled...  :)  NO need for bottles, except maybe water... and to
hold expressed milk...  ;)

 RH>> Cute.  We were surrogate grandparents to the baby that lived next to
 RH>> us in HI.  I was there when he was born.
 NB>> I was there for Derek's birth too... part of the team... :)

 RH> It was funny with Amy; her coloring is similar to mine and she's
 RH> Rachel's age so everyone thought I was the real grandmother.

And with no relation at all... :)

 RH> she will be there for Robert's 5th birthday.  She was telling us about
 RH> the cake they did for his pirate themed party--"The Jolly Robert II"
 RH> and the problems they had with version I.  Wish we could have been
 RH> flies on the wall for that. (G)

Quite a trip, eh?   (G)

ttyl       neb

... If it walks out of your refrigerator, LET IT GO !!

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