Tillbaka till svenska Fidonet
English   Information   Debug  
BLUEWAVE   0/2173
CABLE_MODEMS   0/25
CBM   0/46
CDRECORD   0/66
CDROM   0/20
CLASSIC_COMPUTER   0/378
COMICS   0/15
CONSPRCY   0/899
COOKING   28783
COOKING_OLD1   0/24719
COOKING_OLD2   0/40862
COOKING_OLD3   0/37489
COOKING_OLD4   0/35496
COOKING_OLD5   9370
C_ECHO   0/189
C_PLUSPLUS   0/31
DIRTY_DOZEN   0/201
DOORGAMES   0/2031
DOS_INTERNET   0/196
duplikat   6000
ECHOLIST   0/18295
EC_SUPPORT   0/318
ELECTRONICS   0/359
ELEKTRONIK.GER   1534
ENET.LINGUISTIC   0/13
ENET.POLITICS   0/4
ENET.SOFT   0/11701
ENET.SYSOP   33808
ENET.TALKS   0/32
ENGLISH_TUTOR   0/2000
EVOLUTION   0/1335
FDECHO   0/217
FDN_ANNOUNCE   0/7068
FIDONEWS   23557
FIDONEWS_OLD1   0/49742
FIDONEWS_OLD2   0/35949
FIDONEWS_OLD3   0/30874
FIDONEWS_OLD4   0/37224
FIDO_SYSOP   12847
FIDO_UTIL   0/180
FILEFIND   0/209
FILEGATE   0/212
FILM   0/18
FNEWS_PUBLISH   4208
FN_SYSOP   41525
FN_SYSOP_OLD1   71952
FTP_FIDO   0/2
FTSC_PUBLIC   0/13587
FUNNY   0/4886
GENEALOGY.EUR   0/71
GET_INFO   105
GOLDED   0/408
HAM   0/16054
HOLYSMOKE   0/6791
HOT_SITES   0/1
HTMLEDIT   0/71
HUB203   466
HUB_100   264
HUB_400   39
HUMOR   0/29
IC   0/2851
INTERNET   0/424
INTERUSER   0/3
IP_CONNECT   719
JAMNNTPD   0/233
JAMTLAND   0/47
KATTY_KORNER   0/41
LAN   0/16
LINUX-USER   0/19
LINUXHELP   0/1155
LINUX   0/22013
LINUX_BBS   0/957
mail   18.68
mail_fore_ok   249
MENSA   0/341
MODERATOR   0/102
MONTE   0/992
MOSCOW_OKLAHOMA   0/1245
MUFFIN   0/783
MUSIC   0/321
N203_STAT   902
N203_SYSCHAT   313
NET203   321
NET204   69
NET_DEV   0/10
NORD.ADMIN   0/101
NORD.CHAT   0/2572
NORD.FIDONET   189
NORD.HARDWARE   0/28
NORD.KULTUR   0/114
NORD.PROG   0/32
NORD.SOFTWARE   0/88
NORD.TEKNIK   0/58
NORD   0/453
OCCULT_CHAT   0/93
OS2BBS   0/787
OS2DOSBBS   0/580
OS2HW   0/42
OS2INET   0/37
OS2LAN   0/134
OS2PROG   0/36
OS2REXX   0/113
OS2USER-L   207
OS2   0/4786
OSDEBATE   0/18996
PASCAL   0/490
PERL   0/457
PHP   0/45
POINTS   0/405
POLITICS   0/29554
POL_INC   0/14731
PSION   103
R20_ADMIN   1117
R20_AMATORRADIO   0/2
R20_BEST_OF_FIDONET   13
R20_CHAT   0/893
R20_DEPP   0/3
R20_DEV   399
R20_ECHO2   1379
R20_ECHOPRES   0/35
R20_ESTAT   0/719
R20_FIDONETPROG...
...RAM.MYPOINT
  0/2
R20_FIDONETPROGRAM   0/22
R20_FIDONET   0/248
R20_FILEFIND   0/24
R20_FILEFOUND   0/22
R20_HIFI   0/3
R20_INFO2   2843
R20_INTERNET   0/12940
R20_INTRESSE   0/60
R20_INTR_KOM   0/99
R20_KANDIDAT.CHAT   42
R20_KANDIDAT   28
R20_KOM_DEV   112
R20_KONTROLL   0/13076
R20_KORSET   0/18
R20_LOKALTRAFIK   0/24
R20_MODERATOR   0/1852
R20_NC   76
R20_NET200   245
R20_NETWORK.OTH...
...ERNETS
  0/13
R20_OPERATIVSYS...
...TEM.LINUX
  0/44
R20_PROGRAMVAROR   0/1
R20_REC2NEC   534
R20_SFOSM   0/340
R20_SF   0/108
R20_SPRAK.ENGLISH   0/1
R20_SQUISH   107
R20_TEST   2
R20_WORST_OF_FIDONET   12
RAR   0/9
RA_MULTI   106
RA_UTIL   0/162
REGCON.EUR   0/2056
REGCON   0/13
SCIENCE   0/1206
SF   0/239
SHAREWARE_SUPPORT   0/5146
SHAREWRE   0/14
SIMPSONS   0/169
STATS_OLD1   0/2539.065
STATS_OLD2   0/2530
STATS_OLD3   0/2395.095
STATS_OLD4   0/1692.25
SURVIVOR   0/495
SYSOPS_CORNER   0/3
SYSOP   0/84
TAGLINES   0/112
TEAMOS2   0/4530
TECH   0/2617
TEST.444   0/105
TRAPDOOR   0/19
TREK   0/755
TUB   0/290
UFO   0/40
UNIX   0/1316
USA_EURLINK   0/102
USR_MODEMS   0/1
VATICAN   0/2740
VIETNAM_VETS   0/14
VIRUS   0/378
VIRUS_INFO   0/201
VISUAL_BASIC   0/473
WHITEHOUSE   0/5187
WIN2000   0/101
WIN32   0/30
WIN95   0/4277
WIN95_OLD1   22259/70272
WINDOWS   0/1517
WWB_SYSOP   0/419
WWB_TECH   0/810
ZCC-PUBLIC   0/1
ZEC   4

 
4DOS   0/134
ABORTION   0/7
ALASKA_CHAT   0/506
ALLFIX_FILE   0/1313
ALLFIX_FILE_OLD1   0/7997
ALT_DOS   0/152
AMATEUR_RADIO   0/1039
AMIGASALE   0/14
AMIGA   0/331
AMIGA_INT   0/1
AMIGA_PROG   0/20
AMIGA_SYSOP   0/26
ANIME   0/15
ARGUS   0/924
ASCII_ART   0/340
ASIAN_LINK   0/651
ASTRONOMY   0/417
AUDIO   0/92
AUTOMOBILE_RACING   0/105
BABYLON5   0/17862
BAG   135
BATPOWER   0/361
BBBS.ENGLISH   0/382
BBSLAW   0/109
BBS_ADS   0/5290
BBS_INTERNET   0/507
BIBLE   0/3563
BINKD   0/1119
BINKLEY   0/215
Möte COOKING_OLD2, 40862 texter
 lista första sista föregående nästa
Text 18081, 85 rader
Skriven 2008-12-19 18:59:14 av Carol Shenkenberger (24556.cooks)
     Kommentar till en text av Glen Jamieson (24519.cooks)
Ärende: AUXILLARY PICNICS 81218
===============================
    
 >  > Apart from you and MLoo, have any other Echo people ever done that?
 >  CS> Dont know.  Be interesting to find out!
 > 
 > I have raised this point of living without cars, as Echo folk are
 > getting older, and some are likely to face the prospect in the
 > foreseeable future of not being able to drive, so would have to
 > consider what alternatives are available, and where.

Mass transit in general in the USA is not good as you noted.

 >  CS> Grin, I can understand.  In my area, you do see a bit more walking
 >  CS> right near me and in fine weather, some of us are known to walk up to
 >  CS> Harris Teeters will a cart of some sort (like my pull cart) or bicycle
 >  CS> ride with a backpack and baskets to there.  Don walks to Walmart in
 >  CS> good weather (his arthritis doesnt take well to doing that when it's
 >  CS> cold so he takes a cab then).
 > 
 > Yeah, I understand the bit about Arthur reacting to cold weather. I try
 > to avoid that by flying North in the coldest time of the year.  Then I
 > can still get my "use it or lose it" exercise.  Quite a few people
 > around here ride bicycles, but as the designated bicycle tracks do not
 > connect everywhere the accident rate is fairly high.  Some others use
 > electric scooters.

Had some bad spots in Japan too along my ride to home and back.  Used the
crosswalk and the light unlike some fools.

 >  > would expect that in USA there would be sufficient numbers of
 >  > non-driving residents - aged, disabled, children - living nearby to
 >  > justify the existence of such shops.
 > 
 >  CS> There are in parts of it.  Just have to be in the right part.
 >  CS> Somehow, we got to be a place where 'mega shops' got popular and many
 >  CS> mom-n-pop sorts of grocery or stores went away.  Not all of them mind
 >  CS> you, but plenty of folks here may not have anything other than a 7-11
 >  CS> in walking distance or may not even have that.  Lets add that quite a
 >  CS> few here have medical issues which preclude distance walking but if
 >  CS> they think of habits before that, they may fall better in line with
 >  CS> what you are used to, and i got used to.
 > 
 > Perhaps there are areas where non-driving people and small shops have
 > come together to form an old-style community?  If so, I haven't seen
 > them in USA.

You havent probably seem much rural USA?  It's there still.  Small towns with
900 or so folks max still have the local store.  I mention several even here
in my bigger city with the Japan foods store etc.

 >  > Without public transport or assistance from friends or relatives how do
 >  > such people live?  Once upon a time, 100 or more years ago, there
 >  > probably were such small shops; what has happened to them, and why?
 > 
 >  CS> People who live _in_ cities may have that too, but some of us live in
 >  CS> the residental areas away from the shops.  Being as Don doesnt drive, I
 >  CS> selected our house with that in mind so he does have some things he can
 >  CS> easily walk to (7-11 type places, 2 within 300 yards etc).  I'd have to
 >  CS> actually measure the mall but it's suitable at a 30 min walk or so.
 >  CS> Walmart is about a 20 min walk (15 if walking fast).  Laundry cleaners
 >  CS> is next to 7-11.  Other direction has a grocery store and several small
 >  CS> stores (bar even and there are 3 bars within 2 miles of us but Don's
 >  CS> favorite is about 4 miles so uses a cab).  Liquor store even by the big
 >  CS> grocery.
 > 
 > That is halfway reasonable.  It is better to have a purpose in walking
 > than just for the exercise, and then having to drive to get supplies,
 > etc.  If you take the dog with you, you have 3 reasons for your walk.

Heheh eyes, and selected the house at least a good bit in part for these
needs.  We are however well off any bus grids.  Nearest one is a 2 mile walk
in one direction, or a shopping line that doesnt suit work hours 1 mile in
another direction (happens to be at the mall so useless to us to walk a mile
to the mall to get on the bus to the mall...)

 > You are lucky to have cheap cabs.  I don't suppose there are buses or
 > trains, or you would have mentioned them?  What will you do when you
 > retire, so don't have the excuse of work to keep the car - borrow your
 > daughter's? :)

Heheh well, real retirement is some 20 years away for me so will have to
think on that one when I hit 65 or so.  67 actually now for us in my age
group.
            xxcarol
--- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
 * Origin: Shenks Express (1:275/100)