Tillbaka till svenska Fidonet
English   Information   Debug  
ECHOLIST   0/18295
EC_SUPPORT   0/318
ELECTRONICS   0/359
ELEKTRONIK.GER   1534
ENET.LINGUISTIC   0/13
ENET.POLITICS   0/4
ENET.SOFT   0/11701
ENET.SYSOP   33803
ENET.TALKS   0/32
ENGLISH_TUTOR   0/2000
EVOLUTION   0/1335
FDECHO   0/217
FDN_ANNOUNCE   0/7068
FIDONEWS   23518
FIDONEWS_OLD1   0/49742
FIDONEWS_OLD2   0/35949
FIDONEWS_OLD3   0/30874
FIDONEWS_OLD4   0/37224
FIDO_SYSOP   12841
FIDO_UTIL   0/180
FILEFIND   0/209
FILEGATE   0/212
FILM   0/18
FNEWS_PUBLISH   4186
FN_SYSOP   41525
FN_SYSOP_OLD1   71952
FTP_FIDO   0/2
FTSC_PUBLIC   0/13570
FUNNY   0/4886
GENEALOGY.EUR   0/71
GET_INFO   105
GOLDED   0/408
HAM   0/16052
HOLYSMOKE   0/6791
HOT_SITES   0/1
HTMLEDIT   0/71
HUB203   466
HUB_100   264
HUB_400   39
HUMOR   0/29
IC   0/2851
INTERNET   0/424
INTERUSER   0/3
IP_CONNECT   719
JAMNNTPD   0/233
JAMTLAND   0/47
KATTY_KORNER   0/41
LAN   0/16
LINUX-USER   0/19
LINUXHELP   0/1155
LINUX   0/22010
LINUX_BBS   0/957
mail   18.68
mail_fore_ok   249
MENSA   0/341
MODERATOR   0/102
MONTE   0/992
MOSCOW_OKLAHOMA   0/1245
MUFFIN   0/783
MUSIC   0/321
N203_STAT   898
N203_SYSCHAT   313
NET203   321
NET204   69
NET_DEV   0/10
NORD.ADMIN   0/101
NORD.CHAT   0/2572
NORD.FIDONET   189
NORD.HARDWARE   0/28
NORD.KULTUR   0/114
NORD.PROG   0/32
NORD.SOFTWARE   0/88
NORD.TEKNIK   0/58
NORD   0/453
OCCULT_CHAT   0/93
OS2BBS   0/787
OS2DOSBBS   0/580
OS2HW   0/42
OS2INET   0/37
OS2LAN   0/134
OS2PROG   0/36
OS2REXX   0/113
OS2USER-L   207
OS2   0/4784
OSDEBATE   0/18996
PASCAL   0/490
PERL   0/457
PHP   0/45
POINTS   0/405
POLITICS   0/29554
POL_INC   0/14731
PSION   103
R20_ADMIN   1117
R20_AMATORRADIO   0/2
R20_BEST_OF_FIDONET   13
R20_CHAT   0/893
R20_DEPP   0/3
R20_DEV   399
R20_ECHO2   1379
R20_ECHOPRES   0/35
R20_ESTAT   0/719
R20_FIDONETPROG...
...RAM.MYPOINT
  0/2
R20_FIDONETPROGRAM   0/22
R20_FIDONET   0/248
R20_FILEFIND   0/24
R20_FILEFOUND   0/22
R20_HIFI   0/3
R20_INFO2   2756
R20_INTERNET   0/12940
R20_INTRESSE   0/60
R20_INTR_KOM   0/99
R20_KANDIDAT.CHAT   42
R20_KANDIDAT   28
R20_KOM_DEV   112
R20_KONTROLL   0/13055
R20_KORSET   0/18
R20_LOKALTRAFIK   0/24
R20_MODERATOR   0/1852
R20_NC   76
R20_NET200   245
R20_NETWORK.OTH...
...ERNETS
  0/13
R20_OPERATIVSYS...
...TEM.LINUX
  0/44
R20_PROGRAMVAROR   0/1
R20_REC2NEC   534
R20_SFOSM   0/340
R20_SF   0/108
R20_SPRAK.ENGLISH   0/1
R20_SQUISH   107
R20_TEST   2
R20_WORST_OF_FIDONET   12
RAR   0/9
RA_MULTI   106
RA_UTIL   0/162
REGCON.EUR   0/2055
REGCON   0/13
SCIENCE   0/1206
SF   0/239
SHAREWARE_SUPPORT   0/5146
SHAREWRE   0/14
SIMPSONS   0/169
STATS_OLD1   0/2539.065
STATS_OLD2   0/2530
STATS_OLD3   0/2395.095
STATS_OLD4   0/1692.25
SURVIVOR   0/495
SYSOPS_CORNER   0/3
SYSOP   0/84
TAGLINES   0/112
TEAMOS2   0/4530
TECH   0/2617
TEST.444   0/105
TRAPDOOR   0/19
TREK   0/755
TUB   0/290
UFO   0/40
UNIX   0/1316
USA_EURLINK   0/102
USR_MODEMS   0/1
VATICAN   0/2740
VIETNAM_VETS   0/14
VIRUS   0/378
VIRUS_INFO   0/201
VISUAL_BASIC   0/473
WHITEHOUSE   0/5187
WIN2000   0/101
WIN32   0/30
WIN95   0/4276
WIN95_OLD1   0/70272
WINDOWS   0/1517
WWB_SYSOP   0/419
WWB_TECH   0/810
ZCC-PUBLIC   0/1
ZEC   4

 
4DOS   0/134
ABORTION   0/7
ALASKA_CHAT   0/506
ALLFIX_FILE   0/1313
ALLFIX_FILE_OLD1   0/7997
ALT_DOS   0/152
AMATEUR_RADIO   0/1039
AMIGASALE   0/14
AMIGA   0/331
AMIGA_INT   0/1
AMIGA_PROG   0/20
AMIGA_SYSOP   0/26
ANIME   0/15
ARGUS   0/924
ASCII_ART   0/340
ASIAN_LINK   0/651
ASTRONOMY   0/417
AUDIO   0/92
AUTOMOBILE_RACING   0/105
BABYLON5   0/17862
BAG   135
BATPOWER   0/361
BBBS.ENGLISH   0/382
BBSLAW   0/109
BBS_ADS   0/5290
BBS_INTERNET   0/507
BIBLE   0/3563
BINKD   0/1119
BINKLEY   0/215
BLUEWAVE   0/2173
CABLE_MODEMS   0/25
CBM   0/46
CDRECORD   0/66
CDROM   0/20
CLASSIC_COMPUTER   0/378
COMICS   0/15
CONSPRCY   0/899
COOKING   28278
COOKING_OLD1   0/24719
COOKING_OLD2   0/40862
COOKING_OLD3   0/37489
COOKING_OLD4   0/35496
COOKING_OLD5   9370
C_ECHO   0/189
C_PLUSPLUS   0/31
DIRTY_DOZEN   0/201
DOORGAMES   0/2008
DOS_INTERNET   0/196
duplikat   6000
Möte EVOLUTION, 1335 texter
 lista första sista föregående nästa
Text 553, 150 rader
Skriven 2004-10-28 06:18:00 av Michael Ragland (1:278/230)
Ärende: Meteor strike may not hav
=================================




Meteor strike may not have killed dinos 
12 October 2004 
By KENT ATKINSON
http://www.stuff.co.nz

A New Zealand evolutionary biologist and a British colleague say that
birds and mammals may have displaced dinosaurs gradually in the 20
million years before the disastrous asteroid impact traditionally blamed
for the dinosaurs' extinction. 

Professor David Penny, from Massey University, and Matt Phillips from
Oxford University, say that fossil and molecular evidence does not
support the theory of an asteroid-impact extinction, and that it is in
need of urgent re-examination. 

Popular theory says that birds and mammals were only able to flourish on
Earth once an asteroid impact wiped out the dominant dinosaurs and
pterosaurs at the end of the Cretaceous period 65 million years ago. 
But Professor Penny and Dr Phillips are not convinced. 

"We agree completely with the geophysicists that an extraterrestrial
impact marks the end of the Cretaceous," Professor Penny said. "But
after 25 years they have still not provided a single piece of evidence
that this was the primary reason for the decline of the dinosaurs and
pterosaurs." 

Writing in the October issue of Trends in Ecology and Evolution,
published today, the two scientists have said that instead of accepting
the geophysicists' theory at face value, they want scientists to take a
closer look at the fossil and genetic evidence. 

"Although the asteroid at the end of the period was real, we think it's
natural evolutionary processes that made the difference," Professor
Penny said in a statement today. 
They believed that mammals and birds over 20 to 30 million years started
to out-compete dinosaurs, as they began diversifying between 80 to 90
million years ago. 

Professor Penny is now researching how the first complex living cell
with a distinct nucleus evolved about 1.5 billion years ago, producing
the last universal common ancestor of all plants, animals, amoebas and
fungi. 

Even further back, he is researching the origin of life itself, perhaps
3.5 billion years ago: evidence so far suggested that life began in cool
seas, at a time when the atmosphere outside was inhospitable to any
living thing, rather than around hot hydrothermal underwater vents on
the seafloor. 

Professor Penny said fossils could tell scientists when the different
species of dinosaurs, birds and mammals roamed the Earth, which would
indicate when the dinosaurs started their demise, and when birds and
mammals began to proliferate and diversify. But the fossil record was
patchy, so many conclusions would be tentative. 

Increasingly sophisticated technology and techniques in molecular
biology which had enabled advances such as the sequencing of the human
genome, was a powerful new tool in the scientists' arsenal. 

By looking at the molecules from living animals scientist could, in
principle, reconstruct the family trees of all living animals and those
family trees could help show whether the ancestors of the living birds
and mammals arose very quickly after the asteroid hit the Earth - thus
supporting the popular theory - or whether their appearance was far more
gradual. 

"So far, this evidence contradicts the popular theory," Professor Penny
said. "The combined evidence from fossils and molecules appears to
support an expansion of birds and mammals, and a decline of pterosaurs
and dinosaurs, starting many millions of years before the end of the
Cretaceous" 

The impact, its effects and disruption to ecosystems, probably finished
off the dinosaurs that were not bird-like. 
But two biologists said that a dogmatic adherence to the popular theory
had steered scientists from examining the real reasons behind the mass
extinction. 

"I see the discovery of the asteroid impact that marked the end of the
Cretaceous as simultaneously a high point, and low point of 20th century
science," said Professor Penny. 
"It was a high point from the view of a brilliant new explanation of the
iridium layer that correlated geological strata world-wide: outstanding. 

"But it was also a low point, equivalent to the report of supposed
N-rays, cold fusion, and inheritance of acquired characters on the pads
of the midwife toad". 

The killer comet was first aired by United States geologist Walter
Alvarez in 1980. He argued that large amounts of the metallic element
iridium found in sediments deposited at the end of the Cretaceous period
indicated that a huge meteorite had struck Earth with such force it
raised a suffocating dust cloud which spread iridium around the globe
and shut out the sun for years. 

In New Zealand, coal seams in a stream bank adjacent to the Moody Creek
coal mine, north of Greymouth have an iridium concentration of 71 parts
per billion, the highest known for non-marine rocks anywhere in the
world. 
But the asteroid impact theory has long been controversial. A French
professor of palaeontology at the French Natural History Museum, Leonard
Ginsburg, began publishing more than 30 years ago an argument, that a
gradual drop in world sea levels led to disastrous climate changes for
dinosaurs. 

Prof Ginsburg has strongly criticised the American theory that the
dinosaurs were wiped out after a giant meteorite smashed into the Earth
with a force estimated at five billion times that of the Hiroshima
nuclear bomb. 
"It is obvious the dinosaurs died over the space of millions of years
and not in one cataclysmic event," he told the Reuters newsagency. "The
trouble is Americans like wonderful disaster scenarios and my idea is
not spectacular enough." 

Solid evidence that at least some dinosaurs slowly dwindled into
oblivion rather than blasted off the face of the Earth by a meteorite
has been found in the United States itself, in fossil sites in the state
of Montana. 

Digs have shown that 75 million years ago there were 30 species of giant
reptile living in the area. Five million years later there were 23,
within two million years the number had fallen to 18, and so on down
until the end of the so-called Cretaceous period when all the dinosaurs
had died out. 

Earth's history has been marked by a succession of mysterious periods of
mass-extinction when whole families of animals disappeared for good,
such as at the end of the periods known as the Permian (245 million
years ago), Devonian (360 million years ago), Ordovician (438 million
years ago) and the Cambrian (510 million years ago). 

Prof Ginsburg has argued that a common element probably tied all of
these events together - sea movement caused either by changes to the
polar icecaps or shifts of the Earth's crust.

"Tiny green men might have been a better experiment."

Stephen Hawking
(paraphrasing from a "Universe in a Nutshell".
---
ū RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info@bbsworld.com

---
 * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2á˙* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS
 * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 10/28/04 6:18:33 AM
 * Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230)