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Skriven 2004-10-21 17:38:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
   Kommentar till text 1079 av Robert Couture (1:229/2000)
Ärende: FidoNews 21:38 [09/09]: Fidonews Information
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Hello Robert,

 >  >> The echo rules.
 >
 >  MvdV> So I should follow the echo rules because the echo rules
 >  MvdV> say so? Nice piece of circular reasoning.

 > What kind of reasoning is that?

I already told you: it is called circular reasoning.

 > You should abide by the rules posted because that is the proper
 > thing to do.

Ah, so now we are introducing a new element: "the proper thing to do."

Be advised that what is considered "the proper thing to do" differs from
culture to culture. In one society it may be to marry the girl. In another to
raise the funds for an abortion. In yet another one it would be harikiri.

 > If you do not agree with the rules, then you have the choice
 > of not participating in the rules.

Or post in the echo anyway.

 > There is no circular reasoning.  It is common sense.

And another new element: "common sense".

Be advised that what people consider "common sense" differs from place to place
and from culture to culture.

 >  MvdV> Now try again: What /Fidonet/ document says that I
 >  MvdV> must agree to follow the rules before writing in an echo?

 > Who care about FidoNet documents?  The echo document is the
 > only thing that counts.

For me the only things that counts are what I have agreed on. I have agreed to
abide by the FidoNet rules. No more.

 >  >> If you were unwilling to abide by them,

 >  MvdV> Whether I actually abide by them or not is not the
 >  MvdV> issue. The issue is that there is no agreement.

 > It absolutely is the issue.  The rules are there.

So is the Koran. Should I abide by that too?

 > You should agree to them in oreder to participate in the echo.

Only according to what you consider the "proper thing to do". My idea of "the
proper thing to do" is different.

 > If you do not like the rules, then the proper thing to do is not
 > participate in the echo.  Or at least contact
 > the moderator privately and tell them what concerns you.

What is a moderator? In what document is that defined?

 > Instead you have decided that you do not have to agree to
 > the rules.

I have made no such decision. You however seem to have decided for me that I
should follow them or stay out.

 >  MvdV> Again: show me the fidonet document that is binding
 >  MvdV> to me that says so.

 > The echo document is all that is required.

No, what is required is a document that I have agreed on to abide by. The "echo
document" - whatever that may be - does not qualify.

 >  >> That's called being a hypocrite.

 >  MvdV> I see. When you do it, it is all right. When I do
 >  MvdV> it, it is hypocrite.

 > When have I done what you are doing?

You are doing it right now. You are telling me what "the proper thing to do"
is.

 >  >> Or is that another fine example of reciprocation on YOUR
 > >> terms?

 >  MvdV> Sorry, all offers for reciprocal agreements have
 >  MvdV> expired. We are now back to: "I refuse to play your game."

 > Likely because you aren't mature enough to abide by them.

I am mature enough to make my own decisions about what rules I agree to abide
by and what not.

 > All you want is everything your way on your terms.

No, what I want is to be spared from others that try to force me to do things
their way.

 > It's not a game, Michiel.  I am seriously glad you're not a
 > diplomat.  Your country would would never get anywhere in
 > international circles with your kind of diplomacy. "My way
 > or no way."

You confuse me with your southerly neighbours: the USAians.

Cheers, Michiel

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