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Skriven 2004-10-25 12:16:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Roy Witt (1:10/22)
Ärende: FidoNews 21:38 [09/09]: Fidonews Information
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 > >> It is against USA law for you to participate in the HAM
 > >> echo without my permission.

 >  MvdV> I am not in th USA. Its laws do not apply to me.

 > I, and the HAM echo, are not in Holland; Holland's laws do
 > not apply to me or the echo.

I am not in Holland either, so it beats me how Holland comes in the equation.

As for rthe HAM echo, it is not in Holland either. And it is not in the USA in
The Netherlands. An echo does not have a location. Individual messages
originate in the country of he writer. The echo as such does not have a
location, it is everywhere and nowhere.

 > >> I give that permission in the rules of the echo. My
 > >> requirement for participation is for the user to read and
 > >> agree to abide by those rules, or don't participate in my echo.

 >  MvdV> Since I never agreed to that, I am not bound to
 >  MvdV> honour your wishes.

 > Then don't particpate in the echo. Simple isn't it?

Since I never agreed to not participate I am not bound by your wish not to do
so.

 >  >> You have violated American law

 >  MvdV> Of no consequance as I am not under American
 >  MvdV> jurisdiction. (In any definition of "Amercia")

 > In the future, don't step on any US territory.

I wasn't planning to, but I shall heed your warning. I havn't forgotten the
Menno Blom case.

 >  >> and you've violated my rules.

 >  MvdV> As your wish is not my command, that is of no
 >  MvdV> consequence either.

 > Neither is yours. Therefore, the rules of the echo apply to
 > you, even if you don't agree to them.

I am not bound to abide by your rules. i may choose to abide by them, by then
it will be my choice.

 >  MvdV> No, you tried to get my feed cut. Here is part of a
 >  MvdV> copy of the message:
 >
 >  MvdV> (22)    Wed 9 Oct 02  8:14      Rcvd: Fri 11 Oct 5:56
 >  MvdV> By: Roy Witt
 >  MvdV> To: Michiel van der Vlist

[...]

 >  MvdV> Please cut the feed to the HAM echo for Michiel van der Vlist.
 >
 >  MvdV> == cut ===
 >
 >  MvdV> Need any more to refresh your memory?
 >
 > If I hadn't gotten cooperation from the party that this message
 > was addressed to, the follow up would have been to cut the feed
 > of Z2.

My feed was not cut and you did not cut off all of Z2.

 > Now you should post the netmail you received which told you
 > to stop posting in the HAM echo or all of Z2 would be on your
 > head if I cut them off.

I don't recall ever having gotten such a message.

I have already proven my point. You tried to cut my feed and did not succeed.

 > >> Your presence was not then, nor is it now, welcome. You and
 > >> your NC refused to reply to or acknowledge my netmail.

 >  MvdV> Of course he refused. Echomail is not the NC's bailifwick. I
 >  MvdV> suggest you consult EP1 to find out who's turf it is.

 > And yet he was your feed at the time.

My NC is not and never was my feed for the HAM echo.

 >  >> You offer nothing to anyone else of value.

 >  MvdV> That is not for you to judge.

 > I'm certain there are more than I who judge that.

Who cares what your buddies think?

Cheers, Michiel

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