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Skriven 2004-10-27 09:43:24 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
   Kommentar till text 1299 av Robert Couture (1:229/2000)
Ärende: "Proof"
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 BF>> And why should we believe you just because you say so?

 RC> Why should you have a reason not to?

The same reason you have, not to believe M Moore. Easy as that.

 BF>> Can you prove you have been there?

 RC> Probably.

Even M Moore could prove his point.

 BF>> Methinks this is just pure propaganda. Hope you get my drift.

 RC> No.  The definition of propoganda does not fit your above statements.

In my world, propaganda is when I try to convince someone else to believe
in my truth.

 BF>> Noone here seems to belive anything if it can't be proved. Just saying:
 BF>> "I know, I've been there, I've done that" just isn't enough.

 RC> That only seems to be true of political and FidoNet issues.

That's your opinion, not mine.

 BF>> With this I mean that even when David Kay, the former US weapon
 BF>> inspector, says in TV that he told GWB that it was no WMD:s in Iraq you
 BF>> dismiss it as propaganda.

 RC> Again.  Wrong definition.  That wasn't propoganda that was speculation
 RC> based on theory.

So David Kay was speculating and based his work on theory.
Shal I interpret that as he never was a weapon inspector and never was in
Iraq and he didn't have a thing to do with it? He might not even existed.

 RC> I am not saying there are any.  It is just that there is no 100% sure way
 RC> to know it without search every square inch of the country.

Well, perhaps you should start believe what people are saying to you since
D Kay says there ain't any. H Blix says the same. Saddam says it and even
GWB have acceped this so why shouldn't you. What does it take to convince
you?
The ones who knows even says that Iraq never was a threat to USA. Bin Laden
didn't have anything to do with Iraq. The ones that should have been punished
are the Saudis. It all was a bluff so that Carlyle group could deliver moore
F18
and Tomahawkes to the army on order to make a hugh profit.
When it comes down to theese people, they do anything to make an extra $ and
they don't give a damn about those 1 000 (and still counting) American lives
that
are wasted in Iraq.
We see the same here in Sweden but here there are no casualties.

 BF>> So, if we shouldn't believe him, why should we believe you?

 RC> Because I don't have any political agenda.

But you *might* have a personal thing to gain. How can I bee 100% sure you
don't?

 RC> Propoganda is the purposeful lying, distortion, ommission, or partial
 RC> revelation of facts to gain an objective.

See. I doesn't have to be political.

 RC> I have nothing to gain by stating I have been to Flint, MI.

You could always charge me, and others for those evidence of beeing in Flint.

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