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Text 1498, 92 rader
Skriven 2004-10-29 13:06:32 av Robert Couture (1:229/2000)
   Kommentar till text 1375 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: FidoNews 21:38 [09/0
============================
Michiel van der Vlist -> Robert Couture wrote:

 >> You based it on Z2 rules. According to Z1 rules, he was
 >> still the moderator.

 MvdV> And according to Z2 rules he was not. So we have a stand off..

But.  You are willing to agree that the SCIENCE echo is moderated by a Z1 sysop
and that Z1 rules apply.  That means the echolist is in force.

Therefore the same must be said for the HAM echo because the echolist still
listed Roy Witt as moderator.

Tell me what the difference is.

If you want to have respect for Z2 rules when it comes to Z2 moderated echoes,
you had better be willing to accept the same when it comes to Z1 echoes.

Speaking of which, you stated that the SCIENCE echo originated in Z1, yet when
it comes to the HAM echo, you argued that there is no origination.

You cannot have it both ways, Michiel.  Which is it?

 >> So, what you are saying is that it dependent on your agenda
 >> what rules you will follow.

 MvdV> No. You don't see the difference do you? The moderator of the science
 MvdV> echo is Earl Truss. There is no disagreement about that.

The moderator of the HAM echo is Roy Witt.  You have stated that Z1 rules and
traditions apply in the SCIENCE echo because Earl is a Z1 moderator.  That
should be the same for the HAM echo.

So far the only noticable difference is that you have a grudge against Roy Witt
and not one against Earl Truss.

 MvdV> With the HAM echo it was different. Z1 and Z2 rules did not give the
 MvdV> same outcome. So why should it be the Z1 rules that prevail?

Because the moderator was from Z1 and those rules should apply the same way
they should apply for the SCIENCE echo.

 MvdV> Anyway, there is no use in continuing this argument. Whatever I say or
 MvdV> do, I can not undue what was done two years ago. I do not have a time
 MvdV> machine. So you will just have to accept that two years ago something
 MvdV> happened that you did not agree with.

You could admit that you were wrong.  Everyone in the HAM echo thinks you are
wrong.  I haven't seen a rousing support for you here regarding this issue.

Yes, how about admitting that you were wrong.

And the ONLY reason I say you are wrong comes down to learning how to respect
each Zone.  So far you have been expecting Zone 1 to respect Zone 2 rules ONLY.
 You have stated that you are unwilling to follow Zone 1 rules (or agree to
them.)

You have demanded that you are right in your attempt to take over moderatorship
of the HAM echo by totally ignoring Z1 rules, yet you expect us to obey your Z2
rules.

You deny that the HAM echo originates in Z1 by coming up with an elaborate
claim that "posts come from the poster" yet when the SCIENCE echo is mentioned,
suddenly the echo originates in Z! because it has a Z1 moderator.

 >> Interesting.  Again you expect us to follow your EP1
 >> outside of your Zone, yet you refuse to acknowledge the
 >> Echolist whe it comes to the rules of a Z1 echo moderated
 >> by a Z1 member and recognised by the Z1 echolist.

 >> Again, you are being a hypocrite.

 MvdV> It seems that there is no way that I can satisfy you. I agreed that the
 MvdV> SCIENCE echo should be run according to Z1 rules. What more do you want?

Then you should apologize because the HAM echo is moderatoed by A Z1 moderator
so the HAM echo should be run by Z1 rules.  There is no difference between the
two echoes except that one is run by someone you dislike.

Z1 rules says the moderator is the person listed in the echolist is the
moderator.

However, I doubt that you will admit you are (and were) wrong nor will you
apologise even though your own words here contradict your entire argument.

You cannot have it both ways, Michiel just because you have a grudge against
the moderator.

Robert.

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