Text 20420, 106 rader
Skriven 2005-12-30 14:23:10 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
  Kommentar till text 20345 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
Ärende: Re: Lack of Gratitude
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*** Quoting FRANK SCHEIDT from a message to CAROL SHENKENBERGER ***


 CS> So far he's been polite with me.  A little frustrated, but polite ;-)

FS> If that's *me* you refer to, I'm not frustrated at all.  
FS> Furthermore I respond to people in the same way they respond to 
FS> me.  You have been reasonable, hence *I* am reasonable.  

But you are frustrated with me as I do not agree with you.  I do not think the
Europeans should still, so very long later, be al that greatful over WWII or
even less sensically WWI and what the USA had part in.

FS>  MvdV> Yes, I noticed. And I suppose you noticed the swipe about "just
FS>  MvdV> operator who lets  other does the dirty work"....

FS> I know *that*, at least, doesn't refer to me, as I don't recall 
FS> having made any remarks about some "radio operator" ...

Something said, fellow didnt want to talk about more than just radio.  Most
folks who have seen action do not really want to talk about it that much,
unless with others who saw the same level and even then, if they band
together, they tend to talk about _other things_.

 CS> teaching a child 
 CS> to perpetuate 'hate' over long ago things is just wrong.
FS>  
 > Canadians. My own knowledge of history is not that good.  Fact
 > is 'history' is a lighter subject I think in USA schools?
FS>  
FS> One wouldn't think so, judging from the strange idea of history 
FS> the European posters here have ...

Why is it strange? It's not.  Its a different viewpoint from those who were
there, based on what they saw locally.

FS>  MvdV> So wherever he learned of WWII history, it was not at school.

 CS> True, but he saw in real life, only that slice afforded to him.  He
 CS> would have  been with a big army unit so from his POV, there were
 CS> Americans all over the  place liberating things.  The US Press would
 CS> have concentrated on 'feel good'  stories as well (and they did, old
 CS> articles show this clearly).  The USA didnt  really have a 'Propaganda
 CS> Ministry' but the effect of the newspapers and other  things were
 CS> slanted to us looking good and for all to add to the war effort. 

FS> You both are apparently under the impression I read papers at 
FS> that time and didn't *realize* the inevitable propaganda 
FS> contained therein.  I could read between the lines and combine 
FS> that with what others told me.

Your posts until yesterday looked like you had been there.  Dont try the 'I'm
not a native english speaker' on ME.  Where did you serve?  My Dad was in
Europe.  He was enlisted (got college when he came back though didnt get his
final degree til after Mom left him).  His skills were that he was a very
hands-on tech with anything electrical, and he spoke at least 2 languages, and
he had a sharp shooter award.  He was also violently against guns all the time
that i knew him.

 CS> Still, we had our own 'Quizlings' (sp?  It's after some person
 CS> actually but  came to just mean 'collaborator') and there were many
 CS> 'investigations' of such.

FS> Quisling, the infamous Norwegian who did his thing prior to 
FS> America's entry into WWII.

Famous maybe but your wording indicates if US had joined earlier they would
have done something to prevent that.  Bull hocky if that is what you meant.

 CS> He hasnt brought up how the USA took the Japanese Americans (most of
 CS> them  citizens of the 3rd or futher generation) and put them in
 CS> concentration camps  of our own.  

FS> Huh?  I've beaten that one into the ground, maybe not *here* but 
FS> in several other echoes.  I saw the immorality of *that* act when 
FS> it was actually *happening*.  People on the West Coast feared a 
FS> Japanese (note term) invasion -- it seems silly now, but it was a 

Excuse me but most of the folks here do not know about your 'other
conversations' and you keep making the USA look like angels with no bad parts
ever.  Tone that down and you may find some genuine conversations going on.

 CS> That and the Germans may have gotten
 CS> their own ideas of Auswitz  from our own past history of Andersonville
 CS> (Civil war place, horrendous but the 
 CS> only thing they lacked was a Doctor Mendele and a gas chamber).

FS> Andersonville, as I recall, was not an American prison but a 
FS> prison in the Confederacy.

See where I said Civil War?  It was as 'American' as anything else unless you
are going to get strange and say the USA didnt include the south until after
the civil war ended.

There is no defense for the Nazi camps but there is no defense for
Andersonville either.

FS> One person's "bashing" is another's "standing up for the *truth*" 
FS> ... [sigh] ...

You are bashing Frank.  If that suits you, so be it, but dont hide it under
some auspice of 'truth'.
                                       xxcarol

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