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Skriven 2006-01-03 11:31:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
Kommentar till en text av CAROL SHENKENBERGER
Ärende: Lack of Gratitude
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-=> Quoting Carol Shenkenberger to Frank Scheidt <=-
FS> Is that what "isn't too stupid" means to you? ... Hmmmmmm ...
FS> Apparently English isn't your first language ... too bad, for if
FS> it were you'd have less difficulty in interpreting meanings.
CS> I'd drop that line if I were you Frank.
FS> Obviously you are not I. Also I respond in kind as I've pointed
FS> out before. If anyone is rude to *me*, I respond the same way.
FS> I'm not trying to justify that do-not-turn-the-other-cheek
FS> behavior but that's the way it is. People who act in a civilized
FS> manner to *me* receive equal treatment.
CS> Ok, but you just used the comment of 'not native language' at a native
CS> language english speaker.
Sarcasm ... no mistake ...
CS> While it is possible to have a little confusion with
CS> OZ folks
CS> that only happens when 'colliqilazms' are used (sorry, dyslexia here,
CS> never could spell worth a damn but I get close enough any native
CS> speaker can tell what word I meant).
CS> Let me be clear here. You've used words in such a way as to indicate
CS> clearley to any 'native english person' that you seemed to have served
CS> in WWII in a war capacity in Europe. This may have been accidental
CS> but once you started getting
CS> replies also clearly showing this impression from Z2 nodes, you
CS> 'should' have corrected it then. Frank, you waited too long to fix
CS> that up.
I've seen mistakes made here and haven't corrected all of them
sometimes to see how they'll turn out. Some mistakes I haven't
even *seen*, though the assumption seems to be that I *have*.
I have *never*, *ever* claimed to have served in the European
theater. Why *should* I have made such a claim? There's nothing
especially good about having served in the European Theater.
During WWII -- and now -- soldiers serve where they're *ordered*
to serve. Anyone who thinks soldiers *willingly* served in
active combat doesn't understand human nature. Also, the public
may not be aware of this but only a relatively small percentage
of soldiers actually engage in combat. The majority support
them. Without such support the combat troops would be doomed.
People misinterpreted my words. At first when they made that
mistake it wasn't obvious, then, when it became *very* obvious
I *did* correct it. I try to write in an unambiguous manner,
though whether its unambiguous or not depends upon the depth of
knowledge of English the reader has.
Of course that correction has been ridiculed. Not that *that*
bothers me especially but it doesn't exactly put me in a
conciliatory mood.
CS> You are not a bad person at all.
Senility tends to round off the rough edges ... heh heh heh ...
CS> I enjoy you in several echos and you
CS> can be very entertaining and I think this time you just made a
CS> mistake.
I'm sure that's your honest opinion, however it's not mine, and
I *know* what I said and what I meant by it.
CS> It's hard to fess up to a mistake. Been there, done that. Back in my
CS> flaming days, I actually had the audacity to tell a person how to run
CS> their own system and flamed him quite a bit. God was I *dumber than a
CS> rock*. It took me almost
CS> 1 year to realize how *dumb* I was. Once I did though, I ended one of
CS> the bigger flame wars in Fidonet by apologizing, in as public of a
CS> forum as i had flamed him in. I was totally wrong and once I realized
CS> it, I gritted my teeth and admitted it. With incredible grace, the
CS> other person took all my flamers and stuff and let it go totally and
CS> became a friend that I treasure *most highly* who has never let me
CS> down. Yet, we started with a flame war.
CS> You will also note if you have been around in the right echos that
CS> Micheal van der Vlist and I occasionally 'erupt' but we get along well
CS> enough and when I need help testing my ever-changing DSN<-->POTS
CS> dialup, he's always willing to help me out. (They change my inbound
CS> access with little notice and i have to backtrack one that hits in
CS> March that may make me have to change nodelist and origion lines but
CS> want to test it first). No one is 'evil' here and the people
CS> you may disagree with this week, may well be willing to *help* you if
CS> have a need and ask.
I'm aware of that.
CS> (slight digression, Japan phone lines translated to POTS commercial
CS> via a DSN military switch are very probematic and in summer heat, I
CS> get bad connections to everyone on both directions).
FS> U.S. Army for 3-1/2 years. I am *not* old. I do *not* agree I
CS> This is what is getting you in hot water.
FS> I don't think so. I think what's getting me in hot water is the
CS> You chopped the wrong sentance there. It was your words of *having
CS> been there* in a clear response query.
I've explained several times that by "there" I meant active duty
in WWII, not at some specified location. That's what I meant.
People won't accept that because they think they can set me on
fire by flaming -- they think wrong. I *never* quit.
CS> I do however find it objectionable to toss
CS> 'old' in your face, not do you seem even faintly senile to me. I may
CS> not agree with your handling of the WWII subject, but senile you are
CS> not and I'd like to hope I will be as clearminded as you if I reach my
CS> 80's.
You have long struck me as being a very rational person so I'd
expect that rationality to continue. My father died at age 96
and his mind was perfectly clear to the end. My family has no
history of senility -- at least back through my grandparents.
However I realize the charges being made here of "senility" are
merely probing attacks, hoping to infuriate me ... [sigh] ...
more wasted time on their part.
FS> fact that I stand up for the US in complaining about the lack of
FS> help Europe is giving us in the Iraq thing. We're fighting
CS> That debate, I have stayed out of. I note mostly what is locally
CS> relevant to it (Japan is trying to help out).
Yes, a number of nations *have* helped, including Japan. However
the majority of the Europeans are hiding.
FS> that's *their* fault for not carrying their share of the load.
CS> I think from reading the bits we get here, we have a slanted view on
CS> that. The
CS> USA has tossed so many troops there, that there is little need in feel
CS> to match
CS> them. A slow replacement as we draw them down might well be a better
CS> pattern. Not even numbers as we have too many there but the USA is
CS> slowing bringing that
CS> down (as they should at this stage).
As it has been pointed out, the number of military personnel
required there should be the decisions of the generals, not of
the American "news"media ...
CS> There's nothing wrong in
CS> serving in some other capacity.
FS> Anyone who received an honorable discharge during WWII can be
FS> assumed to have carried his share of the load. I *know* I did an
FS> effective job as a soldier and did my bit.
CS> And i am sure you are right. You are under fire now only because of a
CS> choice of wording that made it seem you were claiming a particular
CS> area of effort that
CS> you were not in, and didnt correct the impression soon enough.
So be it ...
CS> Michelle and I used to go 'can shopping' when we got hungry and always
CS> found something though we werent allowed to use the stove to heat it
CS> up at that age.
CS> Grin, Charlotte at age 12 is not very good with a can opener because
CS> we use few
CS> things in cans here on a normal basis, but i could manage one at age 7
CS> once we discovered 'canned fruit cocktail' stuff!
FS> Sort of a necessity-is-the-mother-of-invention thing for you at
FS> age 7 ... heh heh heh ...
CS> Oh yeah! Definatly! Canned cold food was better thna Mom's cooking
CS> (lovely woman, excellent mother, but not a cook which is her only
CS> failing and I mean that for real).
My own mother was a poor cook but, as I've pointed out more than
once, that was an advantage since, by comparison, almost anything
I eat tastes good.
... "See this red mark on my arm?" Tom asked rashly.
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