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Text 21180, 216 rader
Skriven 2006-01-06 11:31:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 21047 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
Ärende: Editor's censorship
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 MvdV>> Yes, but why would a casual user move his mouse cursor of the pi?

 > Because it's there. Hidden links are all over websites on the web.

Right, so you concur that the link IS hidden. Thank you.

 >>> This alone tells you it's there for a reason.

 MvdV>> Ask how many have found it without having been tipped.

 > I found it and didn't need a tip.

I don't believe you.

 > In fact, I think I'm the originator of how to find that link.

marc lewis made the same claim.

 >>> <H1 align=right><A href="S*CRET.HTM">&pi;</A><H1>

 >>> Combine the 's*cret.htm' with the web sites URL and wallah, you're in.

 >>> http://www.felten.yi.org/s*cret.htm

 MvdV>> Ideed, that was an easy hack was it?

 > It isn't a hack, it's merely a copy of the line in the source.

No, you said it yourself, it is a combination of part of a line in the source
with something else. That makes it a hack.

 MvdV>> But a hack nevertheless.

 > Anyone can extract that line from the source.

That anyone can do it, does not make it not a hack.

 > No hacking required. Find a real web browzer and you
 > too will be able to do it.

Oh, my web browser can show me the source. Actually one does not need a web
browser for that. A simple text editor will do.

 MvdV>> The law says nothing about it having to be difficult. An easy
 MvdV>> crack is a crack just the same.

 > If it were a crack. It isn't...

It is.

 MvdV>>>> No. The link is hidden. Ross is providing information to find it.

 >>> No, the link is in plain view, on the page and in the source.

 MvdV>> No, it is not, it is hidden.

 > Yes it is in plain site.

You have alreay concurred that it is hidden. See above.

 MvdV>> It doesn;t matter that *you* think it is easy to find. What
 MvdV>> matters is if Swedish law considers it sufficiently hidden.
 MvdV>> Apparently they do.

 > Then it's not a hack or a crack, is it.

If it is hidden, then publishing information on how to find it, is publishing a
crack.

 >>> Anyone can find it just by visiting the site, without someone
 >>> telling them exactly where to look.

 MvdV>> Hpow many *did* find it wthout knowing in advance there was
 MvdV>> anything at all to find?

 > Don't know. Ask the Felon, he has a web tracker on that site.

IOW, your claim is an empty claim.

 MvdV>>>>>> At least in The Netherlands. And possibly in Sweden and the
 MvdV>>>>>> USA as well. You published such a crack by making public the
 MvdV>>>>>> url to the directory where the music can be downloaded.
 >>>>> It's no crime to publish a link that is on the site.
 MvdV>>>> It is if it is hidden abnd not meant to be published.

 >>> Bullshit. You lie like the Dossche, when it's convenient to
 >>> your purposes.

 MvdV>> No bullshit.

 > All bullshit.

No.

 MvdV>> Hop on a plane, come to the Netherlands and we will see how you
 MvdV>> defence holds in a court of law.

 > Fuck that pissant little 3rd world country...nobody wants to
 > visit there on purpose.

Your president was here last spring. I don't think anyone forced him...

 MvdV>> That depends on how you got those MP3's. If you had them from a
 MvdV>> legal source, it is ok. If you had them from Björn's site it is a
 MvdV>> crime.

 > No it isn't.

Yes it is.

 MvdV>> Or so those experts in US law tell me. Downloading is illega
 MvdV>> in the USA.

 > I didn't download them, I just played his.

In order to play them, you have to download them.

 >>> I'm listening to his collection. There's no way to download the
 >>> files.

 MvdV>> If you listened to them, you HAVE downloaded them. How
 MvdV>> else can your media player play them?

 > Ask Apple computer about their Quicktime Player, it plays his
 > files ... there's no downloading involved.

Of course there is. The file is downloaded into the players' memory buffer.

 > There are no remnants of those files on my computer.

I wouldn't be so sure, but it is irrelevant. You are still confusing "saving"
and "downloading". Even if it goes staright to devnull it is still downloading.

 MvdV>> You obviously do not know the difference bertween
 MvdV>> downloading and saving.

 > LOL! And I'll bet you don't either.

You standard response when you are out of arguments.

 >>> On the page with the list of MP3s, there is this (below),
 >>> which tells you that these files are playable.

 MvdV>> No, it does not tell you they are playable, it is just a list of
 MvdV>> what he has on his system. Somewhere...

 > Had you ever been there, you'd know differently.

I have been there.

And before you start screaming: keep in mind that HERE downloading is NOT
illegal.

 >>> But, you won't find a link to anything listed there,

 MvdV>> Exactly. No link to where they actually are.

 > But you'll find the link to where they actually are, on that
 > page. It's easy to find.

I know now how to find it. I still say it is hidden.

 > Even you could do it if you go there.

I can't. I mean I can not judge how easy it is to find that link as I already
knew weher it was from the very beginning. Instead of making things difficult
hunting with the mouse cursor or wading through the source, I simply asked
Björn. And before you start screaming: that IS legal HERE.

 >>> until you click on the only thing on the page with a link, the p*.

 MvdV>> And so they are hidden.

 > No, they're in plain view.

It is hidden.

 >>> So much for needing a password...

 MvdV>> Who says a password is required to for "sufficient protection"?

 > You did. They're password protected, those are your words.

No, I didn't. I said they were hidden.

 > No one else has said they were.

xxcarol did.

 >>> 2555 tracks in playlist, average track length: 3:43
 >>> Estimated playlist length: 158 hours 51 minutes 24 seconds
 >>> (1 track of unknown length)

 MvdV>> Yes. Your point?

 > Tells you how many files are playable (playlist).

A playlist is just a catalog. To play the files, you have to get them first.

 >>>>> You shut up. You're now as guilty as the Felon...

 MvdV>>>> Please elaborate. What am I guilty of?

 >>> Being an asshole, a liar, an asshole, and a liar.

 MvdV>> Please provide proof.

 > Look in the mirror...you'll see an asshole...and a liar.

I knew you had no proof.

Cheers, Michiel

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