Text 26055, 92 rader
Skriven 2006-03-02 17:38:01 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 26032 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Elist
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 >   The fact is that BM had an entry in Arian's list.  It was
 > published in the list distributed May 1998, and was dated
 > 4 April 1998.

You obviously have the list and while I have not, I shall just have to accept
that you are correct.

 > Adrian intended to turn his list over to Peter -- but that did
 > not happen.   Adrian and Peter also attempted to merge their
 > lists, but Peter did not get it correct.  The Elist published
 > by Peter in June 1998 merged only the first 100 echos
 > echo tags 10th_AMD to ARIA_SYSOP) from the Elist which had
 > been published by Adrian.

Aha. So those who claimed that the list were merged for some period of time had
it wrong.

 > The rest were lost and not included into Peter's list-- possibly
 > some sort of computer glitch on Peter's system.

Or a glitch in Adrian's system. We shall probably never know. It doesn't
matter. My orginal statement that the merger did not materialise was correct.

 >   April 1998, the same date he made the entry for ZCC-PUBLIC
 > (and ZCC_PUBLIC).  Note that is *after* BM had made the entry
 > onto Adrian's list, as I said.

Ok...

Having seen the evidence presented by others, f.e. the excerpts from Fidonews.
I have to admit that I got the dateline wrong.

 >   Thom's list did not become accepted until at least July. In
 > mid-July 1998, he imported the entries from Adrian's June 1998 into
 > the Elist he had started.  The entries he imported were those for
 > which the moderators had not yet sent him updates to register their
 > echotags with the list he was starting.

And so Thom continued the abuse initiated under Adrian's rule.

 MVDV>>> In my opinion the e-list was abused.

 >>   Not by Thom.

 MVDV>> Thom was an assessor at least. See my message to Roy Witt
 MVDV>> about Thom manually reviewing the input to the e-list robot.

 >   Thom manually reviews the input only in rare cases --

I have reason to believe otherwise.

He either lets the robot automatically process the messages send to it or he
doesn't. You probably mean that Thom seldom intervenes. That may be true, but
in order to intervene before the messages get processed by the robot he has to
have them put aside and review them all before feeding them to the robot. That
reviewing may in most cases just be a cursory glance, but to review some, he
has to review them all in some way.

 MVDV>> Yes there have been real consequences. One example is the
 MVDV>> refusal of the Z1  sysops - you among them - to respect
 MVDV>> Ward's wish that ZCC_PUBLIC be a read only area. One of
 MVDV>> the reasons for rejecting Ward's wishes was that he was
 MVDV>> not listed as moderator in the e-list...

 >   A reason is that since no rules were posted into the echo,
 > no one had any way of guessing that he intended a widely
 > distributed echo, freely picked up by anyone,

When I make a mistake because I miss some knowledge you say it is my own fault
for not getting the proper information. Surf to

http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/echolist.htm

And tell me how the hell am I supposed to guess that the information presented
there may be up to a month old? Yet it is my own fault for assuming it is up to
date you say.

And now you claim "how are we supposed to know" that ZCC-PUBLIC was meant to be
read only?

Well, in any case, you STILL refused to comply AFTER you were told what the
intention was. You refused Ward's request.


Well, that is history too. I see that ZCC-PUBLIC is now listed with Janis
Kracht as moderator. Doesn't matter, the area is dead for all intents and
purposes. You guys killed it.

Cheers, Michiel

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