Text 32769, 72 rader
Skriven 2006-06-28 22:39:02 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 32756 av SHANNON TALLEY (1:275/311)
Ärende: The Pirate Party of  USA
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Hello SHANNON.

28 Jun 06 15:39, you wrote to me:

 ST> Michiel,

 >> ST>> If I owned a donut shop and you walked in off the street, I'll
 >> ST>> be damned if I'd sell you a donut.  Based on what you just
 >> ST>> explained to us, I would be jailed.

 >> I do not know about Sweden, but here in The Netherlands you would
 >> indeed be in serious trouble if you refused to sell me the dougnut
 >> without a very good reason. "I don't like you" or "I do not agree
 >> with your ideas" is no good.

 ST> The business owners in your country do not have the freedoms offered
 ST> to business owners in my country.

You asked a question, I gave you an answer.

 ST> You repeatedly state that you have more freedoms in your country, yet
 ST> you guys have laws like that which "FORCE" business owners to conduct
 ST> business with people they don't want to.

We are a democracy. "demos" is the Greek word for "people". Bussieness are not
people. In a true democracy, the rights of people go above those of a business.

Yes, we have laws to protect people against disciminatory behaviour by
businesses.

 >> If you had a doughnut shop could you refuse to sell to blacks? Jews?

 ST> Answering your question; if I discriminated due to race, religion,
 ST> etc., it would be up to the customer to 'prove' it to a jury.

Yuo are evadnig the question, but I think the answer is clear....

 ST> However, I never indicated in any message to you or anyone else that I
 ST> would do that.

You indicated that you would not sell a doughnut to Björn.

Refusing to sell to someone becuase yo do no like his political ideas is just
as bas here as refusing to sell becuase of skin colour, age or sexual
preference.

 ST> However, I would not serve BJ.

Which, as I told you would get you into serious trouble here.

 ST> If BJ showed up in court and attempted to demonstrate that I
 ST> discriminated against him because he was a Nazi,

Eh? Where does the Nazi come in?

 ST>  I'd only have to show the Jury the log of his messages to demonstrate
 ST> why I dislike him.

Might as well put the noose around your neck yourself then. I you succeed in
convincing the court you dislike him - you probably would - your conviction
would be a near certainty. Refusing to sell because of dislike is just as bad
as refusing to sell because of skin colour.

 ST> Then I'd countersued and win an enormously large settlement.

In your dreams.


Michiel

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