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Skriven 2006-07-12 07:51:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BJöRN FORSSTRöM
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-=> Quoting Björn Forsström to Frank Scheidt <=-

 FS>>>> Killing in self-defense is fully justified ... [sigh] ...
 
 BF>>> Isn't that a "human" law or can you give a reference to where it says so
 BF>>> in the Bible?
 
 RW>> Give a Biblical reference where murder by your God wasn't breaking his
 RW>> own law!
 
 BF>> Since I don't believe in *any* God I don't read the Bible so I can't give
 BF>> you any reference.
 
 FS> So why the reference to the Bible??

 BF> It's you who is the Christian of us two so you should know so if you
 BF> told me where in the Bible it says that killing in self-defence is
 BF> fully justified I could look it up.
 
I seldom use the Bible to prove anything?  Why not?  Because it's 
so subject to interpretation that few will accept such an 
argument.

 BF>> About abortion, we have to settle when life begin. Is it at birth, then
 BF>> what's the problem?
 
 FS> LIfe begins at conception.  That's factual.

 BF> By your fact but does everyone else agree with you? Then we should add
 BF> another nine months to our age but we don't.
 
The fact that we don't do that -- add nine months -- doesn't 
prove life doesn't begin at conception.  Counting from birth and 
calling it one's age is merely a custom.  It can change.

 FS> Unfortunately, to serve their
 FS> own ends, the pro-abortion people like to pretend life is a function of
 FS> *age*.  Many say if a person is nine months old, and is breathing unaided,
 FS> he's a person.  One second prior to birth he's a ... a ... well, who
 FS> knows?

 BF> An embryo? If it isn't, when does an embryo turn into a child? After
 BF> one month, after two or when it have fingers or a functional liver?

When does an "infant" turn into a "baby", into a "child".  Those 
are merely terms, Bjorn.  Don't be so easily swayed.
 
 BF>> About euthanasia, that's against the law here as well so that shows how
 BF>> much *you* know about us but I *think* it's OK in the Nederlands.
 
 FS> Euthanasia can be thought as long-delayed abortion.  It's also murder.

 BF> It depends on how it's done, doesn't it?
 BF> With a leathal injection like in US prisons it isn't that long
 BF> delayed. 3 to 5 sec. or something like that.

Legal execution isn't euthanasia.  And, as I've pointed out 
before, I oppose capital punishment.
 
 BF>> MvD? Passive euthanasia however is OK and that means that if someone is
 BF>> getting so bad so life only will be upheld with machines we don't do just
 BF>> anything to keep the patient alive if the relatives and the Doc. agrees
 
 FS> But *that's* not "euthanasia", that's merely common sense ... it's the
 FS> ethical path to follow.

 BF> Roy did have a totaly different opinion so you see that it isn't that
 BF> easy. 

Roy's entitled to his opinion just as *I* am entitled to mine -- 
and you to yours ...

 BF>> as with my father. After over 15
 BF>> years at a ward for long-term patients after a stroke he got another one
 BF>> and this
 BF>> made him so bad and the Docs. said that they could keep him alive for a
 BF>> while with machines but we decidet not to go through with it.
 
 RW>> Hypocrisy such as yours is abundant everywhere, not just in the USA.
 
 BF>> Sure it is but we don't kill with one hand and demand life to be sacred
 BF>> with the other.
 
 FS> Neither do *we*, so there's no argument there.

 BF> Ehhh.....you do have death penalty, don't you? Thought we had agreed
 BF> to that. 

The fact that the death penalty exists doesn't make it just.  

... "Loop, endless":  See "Endless loop"

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