Text 37059, 81 rader
Skriven 2006-08-20 21:45:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av JEFF SMITH
Ärende: Frank - take a break (was
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-=> Quoting Jeff Smith to Björn Forsström <=-

 RC>>>> Bush tells people how it is and the way its going to be.
 
 BF>>> Of course I could argue with you about this but that would only
 BF>>> make me look like the anti-American Shannon have made you all
 BF>>> believe I am so I leave it.
 
 JS>>      As far as he goes he does have a point. As a president Bush
 JS>> is alot more decisive and willing to do what he thinks needs to
 JS>> be done. Clinton on the other hand would say one thing but
 JS>> faulter when it came time for actions instead of words. That is
 JS>> not to say that I agree with a large part of the way Bush has
 JS>> handled things though.
 
 BF> Of course everyone have both good and bad sides but all we see and
 BF> hear over here is how he exceeds his authorities like scanning all
 BF> mail and email for Americans who communicates overseas although a
 BF> judge have said that it's against the constitution. Still he wants to
 BF> do it and will appeal against it because America is at war and the
 BF> only war that's going on is in Iraq and that isn't even declared as a
 BF> war.

 JS> I think the gathering of intelligence is an important part of the
 JS> war on terrorism. The problem is where to draw the line between
 JS> fighting terrorism and invading people's privacy? I would not have a
 JS> problem with scanning emails and cell calls for very specific keywords.
 JS> But again the problem arises that you are trusting the intelligence
 JS> community to stop at that point and to go no further. What the USA
 JS> needs to do IMHO is to rebuild our human intelligence capabilities
 JS> around the world. And rely less on technological intelligence.

This is a dangerous world in which we now live.  I think everyone 
would agree with that.  GWB is probably doing what he considers 
necessary to protect the nation.  The courts should make sure any 
laws involved are constitutional.  Meanwhile we might as well 
trust the president.

 JS> There are many types of wars Björn. You say tomato I say tomahto.
 
 BF>  If that isn't wanting to be a dictator I don't know what is and I
 BF> don't understand how you all can accept it. And the judge that went
 BF> against him is appointed by him so obviously he doesn't care what
 BF> anyone eslse have to say.

Bjorn has a rather lengthy history here of being anti-American.  
Hence his comments WRT America should be taken with the 
traditional grain of salt ..

 JS> I think "Dictator" is your choice of terms Björn. I think that
 JS> Bush's goal is to eliminate terrorism. The question is to what extent
 JS> is he willing to go? I agree that the war on terrorism needs to be
 JS> fought and won. I differ with Bush in that I think that the biggest
 JS> tools in the war on terrorism are communication and understanding of
 JS> people. Where would Al Qaeda or Hezbollah be if they didn't have the
 JS> blind support of people? The oher factor is the support that the
 JS> terrorist groups are getting from other countries. Countries that are
 JS> wanting to use the terrorist groups to further their own political
 JS> and/or monitary goals. 
 
 BF> If Bush gets his will through, will that be the end for Fido for you
 BF> since here we're rather anti-Bush? Or will you that doesn't agree with
 BF> him 100% end up on a black-list? And what about the right to free
 BF> speech? Has he really been thinking this through and have you?

We have free speech in America.  Much more even than in many 
places in Europe, e.g., in England.

 JS> You are free to like or dislike who or what you choose. All that
 JS> I ask is that people be fair in the expression of their views or
 JS> opinions. To look at the whole picture instead of only part of it. And
 JS> no, I am not suggesting that you are not here.
 
I have long asked people here to read what I've said about the 
nuking of Hiroshima in 1945.  Few will read it objectively.

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