Text 37792, 96 rader
Skriven 2006-08-29 12:35:23 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 37738 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: Moderator?        
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28 Aug 06 13:14, Jeff Smith wrote to Roy Witt:

 DS>>>>>>   I might question your statement about not needing a
 DS>>>>>> moderator since 99% of the posts in this echo are in violation
 DS>>>>>> of the rules of this echo, including this one.
 CS>>>>>> Grin, well, the echo has no topic really anymore.  Some of
 DS>>>>>   If you believe the rules that are posted, the only thing on
 DS>>>>> topic for this echo is the discussion of topics in Fidonews.
 RW>>>> That would depend on who you believe is the moderator. If you
 RW>>>> believe Felten is the self proclaimed moderator, why doesn't he
 RW>>>> enforce what he posts? Matter of fact, why doesn't he comply
 RW>>>> with his own rules? If you believe Shannon is the moderator (as
 RW>>>> the elist reflects), why doesn't he post rules?

 JS>>>      Me thinks that this echo needs a moderator that sets a
 JS>>> reasonable set of rules and then applies them fairly but firmly
 JS>>> to *all* participants here.

That isn't possible. There just isn't anyone that someone wouldn't have a
problem with. And then there are those who would be as ineffective as the
Felton.

 RW>> The problem we've seen with moderators having any affect on this
 RW>> echo is that neither is recognized by the opposite zones. Felten is
 RW>> supported by his Z2 cronies, even though he's ineffective, while
 RW>> anybody who stands up as moderator from Z1 is recognized by those
 RW>> who don't like Felten or his cronies. Until someone can figure out
 RW>> that problem, there will be no moderator here.

 JS>      I don't dispute that. But that being the case doesn't mean that
 JS> we should not try to come to a solution that is agreed (To best
 JS> extent possible) on by both sides. Getting an agreement would be the
 JS> hard part because God forbid anyone apearing to agree with an out of
 JS> zone idea or suggestion.

Which confirms what I've said above.

 JS>>> A moderator that is willing to speak up when needed but can also
 JS>>> stand back when appropiate. It would seem reasonable for the
 JS>>> moderator to be the Fidonews editor.

 RW>> That's a precident set by former Editors. Not necessarily one that
 RW>> should continue, as long as Felten insists on holding onto the
 RW>> Editorship.

 JS>      I would not have a problem with it either way. It just seemed
 JS> like a logical idea to me.

I and many others do have a problem with it, for the reasons stated.

 JS>>> But I have seen no evidence of him actually acting in such a
 JS>>> capacity.

 RW>> And you won't. The rules that he posts are continously violated by
 RW>> the poster, so now we see his behavior as the example to follow.

 JS>      And until that changes this echo will be a free-for-all warzone
 JS> echo.

There is the element of self moderation. That may turn out to be the
answer to the free-for-all warzone.

 JS>     Ok.... let me ask you this. What three people do you think could
 JS> do a decent and fair job as moderator of this echo? Regardless of
 JS> what zone the individal may be from.

Nobody would fit that description. And that's not a reflection on them per
se' ... Felten isn't qualified because he's violated his own posted rules.
Others are too wrapped up in themselves to do an affective job, since
there are also those who wouldn't recognize any of them as moderator and
vice versa.

 JS>>> The fact that there is doubt as to who the moderator really
 JS>>> is would seem to say that someone needs to stand up and act as
 JS>>> one.

 RW>> And what do you propose they do when someone violates an echo rule?
 RW>> There's no way to cut a feed anymore, as everyone knows there's a
 RW>> feed to be had just for the asking. That precident was set in
 RW>> FN_SYSOP when the moderator there cut the feed of one, Ward Dossche,
 RW>> and he pulled his *C strings to get another feed in defiance of the
 RW>> moderator.

 JS>>> Lord know this echo needs some moderating.

 RW>> Quite a delemma, eh...

 JS>      Not an easy task that's for sure.

That's right.

               R\%/itt


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