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Skriven 2004-12-20 22:18:06 av Gordon Lewicky (1:153/307)
     Kommentar till en text av Michiel van der Vlist
Ärende: Pee-Four
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 Quoting Michiel van der Vlist to Thom LaCosta 
 Subj. Pee-Four, dated 19-Dec-2004 13:06 

You know, Michiel, you've been called many things in here and in
other echos, a liar, an egotist, pig-headed, but what we see most
is you being called a hypocrite. How you always will change how you
perceive things when it's against you and Z2 and when it's for you
and Z2.

Here is a classic example of your hypocracy, from your own words,
as you argue both sides of the fence, depending on the results of
the for or against you and Z2.

There is no denying this, as these are your words, in 3 msgs
posted on 19 Dec, at 09:43, 09:54 and this one I'm replying to
posted at 13:06.

In a little over 4 hours, you've changed your perception twice on
one subject and it was totally to suit your own needs and has
nothing to do with the truth.

From...

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Area: FidoNews Discussion Echo
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   Msg#: 2683                    Date: 19-Dec-2004 09:43
   From: Michiel van der Vlist   Read: Yes
Replied: No
     To: Robert Couture                               Mark:
   Subj: Pee-Four
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 >>> I have to admit, it seems to me that is exactly right. The
 >>> difference maybe that Z2 defeated Z1 in this respect thru
 >>> numbers.

 >  MvdV> So how does it feel to get something shoved down your
throat?

 > Grow up.  Two wrongs do not make a right.

So you admit that shoving P4 down our throats was not right. Thank
you.

 > So it was never shovged down your throats as it was a majority
 > decision.

Oh, it was a majority decision all right. I never contested
/that/. In fact I
have said that is how Z1 goy awy with it. They simply were the
biggest at the
time. By far.

I nevertheless say it was shoved down our throat.

I know what Henk Wevers told me.

Denying it was a case of throat shoving is not going to make thing
better.

I am realist enough to realise that is what happens if a majority
wnats
something what a minority does not want: the majority gets its
way. That has
nothong to do with democracy. It is reality. It is also throat
shoving.

I can accept that. Just don't tell me it is not throat shoving.

Cheers, Michiel

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In this first msg, you are stating that when the majority decision
is not to your liking, then it's "throat shoving"


Then you state...

------- Start Msg #2 -----------
 Area: FidoNews Discussion Echo
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   Msg#: 2685                   Date: 19-Dec-2004 09:54
   From: Michiel van der Vlist  Read: Yes
Replied: No
     To: Robert Couture         Mark:
   Subj: Pee-Four
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 >>> You didn't espouse that feeling when FN_SYSOP changed
hands....

 >  MvdV> Of course not. That time it was them being at the
receiving
 >  Mvdv> end of the medicine. Americans never were very good at
that.

 > The diffence there was the fact that there was already
 > rules for changing moderators present.

New rules were adopted by a majority of those present.

If that was good enough for adopting P4, it was good enough for
changing a
moderator.

You got outvoted. So stop whining.

And BTW, thank you for proving my point: you are not good at being
at the
receiving end of a majority decision.


Cheers, Michiel

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------- End Msg #2 -------------

And here, in msg #2, where the outcome was to your liking, why
bless me, a majority decision is a good thing, and is definately
not throat shoving.


And in this 3rd msg...

---------- Start Msg #3 ------------

 MvdV> moderator. Vote for the moderator, vote for hise rules. The new rules
 MvdV> came into force when the new moderator assumed office, not afterwards. 
 > How odd, use a non-scheduled election in an echo that had a
 > yearly election to choose a moderator to do away with
 > yearly elections.

 MvdV> Nothing odd about it. The process is called democracy.

 MvdV> Cheers, Michiel

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----------- End Msg #3 -----------

My word, a majority decision is not throat shoving, it's
"DEMOCRACY" so says the flip-flopping MvdV. Well, this time you
are that goldfish flopping around on the table top, gasping for
breath, and it's no one else's fault but your own. Your
meglomaniac ego and self-centred attitude failed you this time!

And you wonder why people call you names, call you a hypocrite?

It's because you are! The rest of us know this and know also that
anything that comes out of your mouth via the kbd, is nothing but
hot air. It's obvious to me that you do not understand the
meanings of the words, truth, honour, respect and democracy!

HYPOCRITE!!!!!

Cheers...
Gordon Lewicky (Pdk)

email glewicky@telus.net   www.milkyway-bbs.ca


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